While I love Betsy's current role as the new Captain Britain, I also enjoyed her brief time with this uniform, still in her Psylocke days. It's nice to see her back with this look.
Can we start a petition to bring the Asrar costume back if Captain Betsy backfires? She has lost many good things so at least save this gem from the fire.
I’m sure this has been brought up in some form or fashion, but my worry is that Betsy will eventually fade away. The Captain Britain storyline will eventually end and Brian will reclaim the mantle. She’s also lost the Psylocke codename and power signatures to Kwannon since Marvel has no desire to lose what is now an iconic depiction of the character.
I have no issue with Betsy getting her body back, but I fear she will be seen as irrelevant when the look/feel of a character she has embodied for the last 30 years still exists.
So after Captain Britain, what’s next? Does Betsy languish as a sideline character? Also wonder if she will ever be given a new code name. I worry she will now forever be referenced by her name similar to Jean and Emma (it always bothered me that in a team of code names, they’re only referred by their first and last name).
I know we have no choice but to wait and see, but I wish Kwannon never resurfaced and Psylocke was forever Betsy - in her own body, kicking ass as she always has done.
Legacy names answer to their masters. Psylocke will come back to Betsy. At the speed Marvel is handing out white code names to characters of color the trend will nosedive and die and things will go back to normal. The Psylocke impostor has less time than a mayfly for all that the depictions can't fool the fans of real Psylocke.
@Tobias - I hope you’re right. I just think they’re putting a lot of effort into making Kwannon work. And as I mentioned, I don’t think the Asian depiction of Psylocke will ever go away - it’s become too commercially viable. Both the name and the look together. Guess we just wait it out.
I agree with Tobias; while Kwannon is using the Psylocke identity now, it will take a lot of time and effort to make the readers associate her with this name. If Betsy ever stops being Captain Britain, there is a good chance that she will reclaim the Psylocke codename - and while her current body isn't Asian, there's nothing preventing her from becoming a ninja again, like Elektra.
Though I was curious to see her a little bit longer in her Disassembled version (which felt like a middle ground between her ninja days and her Outback days, not too involved in action but not restricted to using her powers from a safe distance either).
I've been reading the X-Men for a long time and I fell in love with Elizabeth Braddock during the Inferno Saga. Post Siege Perilous, after becoming "Ninja Psylocke" she instantly became my favorite X-Man. While we can debate whether or not the transformation/body swap was a good idea, the reality is that at that time with Jean regaining her "superior" telepathy and the eventual return of Professor X, something had to happen to make Betsy unique in the crowded field of mutant psychics. Without that transformation, Betsy would probably have met the same fate as Dazzler or Longshot.
I've been coming to this site for years, and while I don't comment much, I do read the comments to see how other fans are reacting to the latest Betsy news. Clearly, the body debate has been the most "spirited" topic in the comments section. I came down on the side of maintaining Betsy as Ninja Psylocke, but alas the "original formula" fans got their wish. I feared that British Betsy (and her powerset) would be considered redundant, causing her to be sent to X-Man limbo. Lets be honest, of the three "powerhouse" women psychics, as far as usage and panel space, Betsy usually ends up in third place after Omega-Level Jean and editorial favorite Emma. So while I conceded defeat in the body debate, I had the "be careful what you wish for" reaction to the often rude and personal-attacking fans of original body Psylocke (anyone who reads the comments knows who these fans are).
Well we all know what happened. Marvel returned Elizabeth Braddock to her reconstructed white body, but at a massive cost to our beloved hero. And to the anti-ninja Betsy fans, you shouldn't be surprised that Marvel decided to keep the most well-known version of Psylocke. Comics are a visual medium and ninja Psylocke (with her psychic knives and butterfly power signature) is the most recognizable "look" associated with that codename.
I read Excalibur and Fallen Angels, and while I love Betsy and hope her transformation into Captain Britain will be successful, Kwannon/Psylocke in Fallen Angels is a much more interesting read (IMO). Anti-Ninjalocke fans can hate on Fallen Angels all they want because Kwannon/Psylocke got so much in the "divorce" but many of your criticism just come across as being "salty" (I have to take high blood pressure meds while reading some of the comments on here).
For those who wanna trash Fallen Angels without actually reading it and giving it a chance:
I loved Asian body Psylocke, but I hope both character's do well y love Betsy and Kwannon is an interesting character in storyline development so I'll get both comics. I don't like most of the rude comment's some "original body" fans do on this site , but I been here since the beginning so I just ignore them. I hope the site keeps moving forward because it's one of the best if not the best one there is out here and I love it.
"I've been reading the X-Men for a long time and I fell in love with Elizabeth Braddock during the Inferno Saga. Post Siege Perilous, after becoming "Ninja Psylocke" she instantly became my favorite X-Man. While we can debate whether or not the transformation/body swap was a good idea, the reality is that at that time with Jean regaining her "superior" telepathy and the eventual return of Professor X, something had to happen to make Betsy unique in the crowded field of mutant psychics. Without that transformation, Betsy would probably have met the same fate as Dazzler or Longshot."
I fully agree with the comment above from Ebonthorne. I also shared the same concern when Betsy regained her original body (even if, character-wise, I always thought it should be horrible for her to be trapped inside someone else's body).
But when the Disassembled arc started, despite the story arc itself being quite weak, I was pleasantly surprised with the way she was depicted. Like I said before, I felt Disassembled-Psylocke brought the best of her both eras together, like if Outback-Psylocke and 1990s-Psylocke got merged into a single characterization. That's when my concerns disappeared.
And I guess that's why I feel Betsy will be okay, no matter if she'll remain as Captain Britain for a long time or if she'll eventually lose the mantle back to Brian. Back in the transition from the Outback team to the 1990s X-Men, the body swap did help to boost her popularity and to prevent her from going to editorial limbo with Dazzler and Longshot, but now she is already established and popular enough by herself. If she ever stops being Captain Britain, she has enough fans among readers to make Marvel interested in keeping her in their comics.
And if she does lose the Captain Britain mantle, I think Kwannon is the one at risk, because I can see Marvel giving Betsy the Psylocke codename back, as well as the psychic butterfly and the psychic knife; if that happens, Kwannon is the one who will need to find a new identity. Though I guess she will be established as the X-Men's ninja, and maybe she could share some traits with Betsy (both having the psychic butterfly and psychic knife, and maybe even having some sort of telepathic bond between them); that could actually be interesting. Maybe. I don't know.
@Ebonthorne we got it you have the hots for Ninjalocke and hate us original Psylocke fans. Hate to break it to you but the original is always the best and clones don't fly they crash and burn. I don't care how ancient you are in this forum or your reasons for liking Ninjalocke cause you miss the subject of the discussion that Psylocke is too British a nickname for a naked Asian chick.
First are you really reading the bullcrap soup Bryan Hill is serving in a dog bowl? Why don't you mention that Kwannon isn't her real name but a code name this nameless Japanese cloner was given by Apoth knows who?
Second are you ok with the character assassination Hill is doing to Ninjalocke? A mother that abandons her child to die, does drugs, sleeps around, gets high on sex, betrays her senseis and when she wakes from her coma that she brought on herself with her bad choices she seeks scapegoats in innocent victims like Betsy Braddock who hadn't an effin say in the body swap! Gimme a Kit Kat break kind sir!
BTW cry me a river this is a page dedicated to Elizabeth Braddock not Ninjalocke. Ninjalocke was a fashion slip forced on Betsy. Take my word for it, she is done wearing Yellowface crotchless panties.
Changes are always hard to accept for what they are. Betsy feels on a knife edge trying to balance her place in her family and as a reborn woman. It is an expected result since she was living for years in a strange body. Needless to say that her transition to Captain Britain isn't permanent and whether she regains Psylocke is a matter of time and editorial integrity. To doubt her place in the X-Men is totally silly because the bonds with her friends were never severed due to the body swap. Everyone knew in their gut that Betsy was the one trapped in the Asian body and that didn't affect their stance toward her. Betsy has a distinctive presence in the X-Men a voice so recognizable from miles let alone inside of swapped bodies. She is a nurturing figure similar to Ororo and a leader tactician who plans steps ahead of the current situation. Mostly she is the fighting spirit of the X-Men and a true believer in the good side inside of everyone. To lose Betsy from the X-Men ranks is a grave mistake.
“For so long, my life has been out of control. Chaos and serendipity, wrapped in insanity. I have suffered, I have lost. Not just my life, but my very soul, my self. But no more. Now I know who I am.” – Elizabeth ‘Betsy’ Braddock, daughter of Otherworld, mutant, telepath, telekinetic, defender of the realm and, above all, X-Man.
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Nice cover!
While I love Betsy's current role as the new Captain Britain, I also enjoyed her brief time with this uniform, still in her Psylocke days. It's nice to see her back with this look.
Nice. I'll def get this cover if my LCS has it. The Asrar design always a win for me lol
Shame this costume is short-lived. I've grown really fond of it. It's the perfect continuation of her pre-Seige Perilous look.
Can we start a petition to bring the Asrar costume back if Captain Betsy backfires? She has lost many good things so at least save this gem from the fire.
Betsy was wearing it before putting on the Amulet of Right. Logically when she takes it off she won't be naked but wear the Asrar suit.
Nice that this design gets some spotlight on another cover. A must-buy.
The word pretender sounds extremely offensive given the history of Betsy Braddock.
Brian fans see her as the Captain Britain pretender.
Asian ninja fans see her as Yellowface pretender.
Marvel has done Betsy so damn dirty it hurts.
Awesome!
I’m sure this has been brought up in some form or fashion, but my worry is that Betsy will eventually fade away. The Captain Britain storyline will eventually end and Brian will reclaim the mantle. She’s also lost the Psylocke codename and power signatures to Kwannon since Marvel has no desire to lose what is now an iconic depiction of the character.
I have no issue with Betsy getting her body back, but I fear she will be seen as irrelevant when the look/feel of a character she has embodied for the last 30 years still exists.
So after Captain Britain, what’s next? Does Betsy languish as a sideline character? Also wonder if she will ever be given a new code name. I worry she will now forever be referenced by her name similar to Jean and Emma (it always bothered me that in a team of code names, they’re only referred by their first and last name).
I know we have no choice but to wait and see, but I wish Kwannon never resurfaced and Psylocke was forever Betsy - in her own body, kicking ass as she always has done.
Bro what are you talking about? Betsy can't bite the dust she has 99 lives.
Legacy names answer to their masters. Psylocke will come back to Betsy. At the speed Marvel is handing out white code names to characters of color the trend will nosedive and die and things will go back to normal. The Psylocke impostor has less time than a mayfly for all that the depictions can't fool the fans of real Psylocke.
@Tobias - I hope you’re right. I just think they’re putting a lot of effort into making Kwannon work. And as I mentioned, I don’t think the Asian depiction of Psylocke will ever go away - it’s become too commercially viable. Both the name and the look together. Guess we just wait it out.
I agree with Tobias; while Kwannon is using the Psylocke identity now, it will take a lot of time and effort to make the readers associate her with this name. If Betsy ever stops being Captain Britain, there is a good chance that she will reclaim the Psylocke codename - and while her current body isn't Asian, there's nothing preventing her from becoming a ninja again, like Elektra.
Though I was curious to see her a little bit longer in her Disassembled version (which felt like a middle ground between her ninja days and her Outback days, not too involved in action but not restricted to using her powers from a safe distance either).
I've been reading the X-Men for a long time and I fell in love with Elizabeth Braddock during the Inferno Saga. Post Siege Perilous, after becoming "Ninja Psylocke" she instantly became my favorite X-Man. While we can debate whether or not the transformation/body swap was a good idea, the reality is that at that time with Jean regaining her "superior" telepathy and the eventual return of Professor X, something had to happen to make Betsy unique in the crowded field of mutant psychics. Without that transformation, Betsy would probably have met the same fate as Dazzler or Longshot.
I've been coming to this site for years, and while I don't comment much, I do read the comments to see how other fans are reacting to the latest Betsy news. Clearly, the body debate has been the most "spirited" topic in the comments section. I came down on the side of maintaining Betsy as Ninja Psylocke, but alas the "original formula" fans got their wish. I feared that British Betsy (and her powerset) would be considered redundant, causing her to be sent to X-Man limbo. Lets be honest, of the three "powerhouse" women psychics, as far as usage and panel space, Betsy usually ends up in third place after Omega-Level Jean and editorial favorite Emma. So while I conceded defeat in the body debate, I had the "be careful what you wish for" reaction to the often rude and personal-attacking fans of original body Psylocke (anyone who reads the comments knows who these fans are).
Well we all know what happened. Marvel returned Elizabeth Braddock to her reconstructed white body, but at a massive cost to our beloved hero. And to the anti-ninja Betsy fans, you shouldn't be surprised that Marvel decided to keep the most well-known version of Psylocke. Comics are a visual medium and ninja Psylocke (with her psychic knives and butterfly power signature) is the most recognizable "look" associated with that codename.
I read Excalibur and Fallen Angels, and while I love Betsy and hope her transformation into Captain Britain will be successful, Kwannon/Psylocke in Fallen Angels is a much more interesting read (IMO). Anti-Ninjalocke fans can hate on Fallen Angels all they want because Kwannon/Psylocke got so much in the "divorce" but many of your criticism just come across as being "salty" (I have to take high blood pressure meds while reading some of the comments on here).
For those who wanna trash Fallen Angels without actually reading it and giving it a chance:
https://screenrant.com/fallen-angels-marvel-comics-trailer/
https://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/2019/11/15/see-what-critics-are-saying-about-fallen-angels-1-with-new-marvel-trailer/
I loved Asian body Psylocke, but I hope both character's do well y love Betsy and Kwannon is an interesting character in storyline development so I'll get both comics. I don't like most of the rude comment's some "original body" fans do on this site , but I been here since the beginning so I just ignore them. I hope the site keeps moving forward because it's one of the best if not the best one there is out here and I love it.
"I've been reading the X-Men for a long time and I fell in love with Elizabeth Braddock during the Inferno Saga. Post Siege Perilous, after becoming "Ninja Psylocke" she instantly became my favorite X-Man. While we can debate whether or not the transformation/body swap was a good idea, the reality is that at that time with Jean regaining her "superior" telepathy and the eventual return of Professor X, something had to happen to make Betsy unique in the crowded field of mutant psychics. Without that transformation, Betsy would probably have met the same fate as Dazzler or Longshot."
I fully agree with the comment above from Ebonthorne. I also shared the same concern when Betsy regained her original body (even if, character-wise, I always thought it should be horrible for her to be trapped inside someone else's body).
But when the Disassembled arc started, despite the story arc itself being quite weak, I was pleasantly surprised with the way she was depicted. Like I said before, I felt Disassembled-Psylocke brought the best of her both eras together, like if Outback-Psylocke and 1990s-Psylocke got merged into a single characterization. That's when my concerns disappeared.
And I guess that's why I feel Betsy will be okay, no matter if she'll remain as Captain Britain for a long time or if she'll eventually lose the mantle back to Brian. Back in the transition from the Outback team to the 1990s X-Men, the body swap did help to boost her popularity and to prevent her from going to editorial limbo with Dazzler and Longshot, but now she is already established and popular enough by herself. If she ever stops being Captain Britain, she has enough fans among readers to make Marvel interested in keeping her in their comics.
And if she does lose the Captain Britain mantle, I think Kwannon is the one at risk, because I can see Marvel giving Betsy the Psylocke codename back, as well as the psychic butterfly and the psychic knife; if that happens, Kwannon is the one who will need to find a new identity. Though I guess she will be established as the X-Men's ninja, and maybe she could share some traits with Betsy (both having the psychic butterfly and psychic knife, and maybe even having some sort of telepathic bond between them); that could actually be interesting. Maybe. I don't know.
@Ebonthorne we got it you have the hots for Ninjalocke and hate us original Psylocke fans. Hate to break it to you but the original is always the best and clones don't fly they crash and burn. I don't care how ancient you are in this forum or your reasons for liking Ninjalocke cause you miss the subject of the discussion that Psylocke is too British a nickname for a naked Asian chick.
First are you really reading the bullcrap soup Bryan Hill is serving in a dog bowl? Why don't you mention that Kwannon isn't her real name but a code name this nameless Japanese cloner was given by Apoth knows who?
Second are you ok with the character assassination Hill is doing to Ninjalocke? A mother that abandons her child to die, does drugs, sleeps around, gets high on sex, betrays her senseis and when she wakes from her coma that she brought on herself with her bad choices she seeks scapegoats in innocent victims like Betsy Braddock who hadn't an effin say in the body swap! Gimme a Kit Kat break kind sir!
BTW cry me a river this is a page dedicated to Elizabeth Braddock not Ninjalocke. Ninjalocke was a fashion slip forced on Betsy. Take my word for it, she is done wearing Yellowface crotchless panties.
Changes are always hard to accept for what they are. Betsy feels on a knife edge trying to balance her place in her family and as a reborn woman. It is an expected result since she was living for years in a strange body. Needless to say that her transition to Captain Britain isn't permanent and whether she regains Psylocke is a matter of time and editorial integrity. To doubt her place in the X-Men is totally silly because the bonds with her friends were never severed due to the body swap. Everyone knew in their gut that Betsy was the one trapped in the Asian body and that didn't affect their stance toward her. Betsy has a distinctive presence in the X-Men a voice so recognizable from miles let alone inside of swapped bodies. She is a nurturing figure similar to Ororo and a leader tactician who plans steps ahead of the current situation. Mostly she is the fighting spirit of the X-Men and a true believer in the good side inside of everyone. To lose Betsy from the X-Men ranks is a grave mistake.
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