PSYLOCKE | CAPTAIN BRITAIN // like a butterfly: Marvel Teases 'Destiny of X' for Spring 2022

Tuesday, November 23, 2021

Marvel Teases 'Destiny of X' for Spring 2022

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Kiki M. Ishola said...: Irene jumps a time machine for Dallas finds the Outback team and Freedom Force I need it happen. Drama and all deleted a fresh start.; November 23, 2021 at 7:43 PM
Rahsaan said...: This depends… Does your Freedom Force lineup include a returned Julia Carpenter or nah?; November 24, 2021 at 2:02 AM
Kiki M. Ishola said...: A must. Evolve it from source right. Carpenter went Arachne after she split. Betsy goes warrior on her own no freaky Fridays with Revanche. Mystique and Destiny live happily ever after and open an X academy branch. Emma done it they can best.; November 24, 2021 at 9:52 AM
X-Man said...: @Leo article was good. Interesting how they referred to her as Psylocke lol.; November 24, 2021 at 9:09 PM
Kiki M. Ishola said...: Take Psylocke from Betsy but can't take Betsy outta Psylocke 😉; November 25, 2021 at 1:40 PM
Rahsaan said...: I love Kwannon, but so also love the author’s refusal to call Betsy anything other than Psylocke. 😂

I really love what Wells has done with Kwannon in Hellions, but really wish he would now move her beyond the Hand suit. At this point, it’s nothing short of ridiculous that she is wearing the suit that her sworn enemies had the brainwashed woman who occupied her body wearing. It never made much sense for Elizabeth to keep wearing that number after Acts of Vengeance, and makes even less sense that Kwannon who has so much agency in her own life now would actively choose to wear it. Besides, it’s dated as all hell and should be retired from either woman’s wardrobe.; November 25, 2021 at 1:48 PM
FSaker said...: True. It's understandable that Marvel wants to keep the Hand suit because it's Psylocke's iconic uniform, but they could at least update it - kinda like Salvador Larroca did in X-Treme X-Men.

Larroca's uniform for Psylocke was pretty cool, in my opinion.; November 25, 2021 at 5:29 PM
Rahsaan said...: @FSaker, I even preferred Larocca's update to the Hand uniform that he designed specifically for Kwannon during Rosenberg's run that elements of the traditional ninja hooded garb, Psylocke's hand uniform, and Revanche's uniform which also was a derivation of the Psylocke Outback armor. To be real though, Kwannon needs a new uniform with no elements of Betsy's looks to fully complement her new lease on life and full agency.

One last thing I would love to see (but probably will never happen)is Wells giving us the on-panel backstory of how Kwannon's soul/psyche migrated back to her own body to be made dormant while Elizabeth's psyche reigned. Last we saw her was when she had Matsu'o honorable slay her and then take back all the parts of her from Bets and give Bets back all her own parts. I would love an interesting, sound story about how she got back in that body and has been there all this time while Betsy was the dominant persona AND if she was why she didn't resume control when Madelyn and the Sisterhood put Bets back in her own body for that three-issue arc. Again though, this would require some care to reader critical thought, which many of these writers and editors regularly assume is non-existent. LOL.; November 25, 2021 at 7:12 PM
X-Man said...: With all due respect @Rahsaan, I think that story is better off being dead lol.

I think that was a badly written story by the "Fallen Angels" author.

Thankfully a lot was insinuated and no specifics were given.

I don't think they expected how vocal the Betsy fans would be or the backlash it would receive.

I honestly think we are possibly a huge reason the story was basically dropped & Betsy wasn't as villianized as they probably initially intended her to be.; November 25, 2021 at 10:33 PM
rocketboy said...: I think there is a very interesting story there if a good writer could tackle it, but Betsy might have a reckoning if it was told correctly, at least in my opinion.

The idea that Kwannions Pysche was hitching a ride with Betsys the whole time is interesting, but the question would be, was Betsy aware of it? How could a telepath as powerful as her not have some idea that there was another persona in her brain or wherever?

And here is why it would be interesting; there is plenty of evidence in the way Betsy was written before and after the body swap to indicate that she liked being in Kwannon's body. Before the incident, her powers were passive, psycho blasting in the background while her teammates were in the forefront fighting directly. Later on, Betsy did become more of a hand-to-hand combatant and may have developed into a heavy hitter, but switching to K's body accelerated that and gave her the power she always wanted. I think this was best referenced when she recalled how wolverine called her an action junkie, and that she could fight from a distance but now preferred hand-to-hand combat; that was when she was in K's body.

And then there is this.

https://wwprice1.tumblr.com/post/646468620079300608/todays-second-featured-character-for-womens

"In many ways, I'm nothing like the woman I was, and far more like the one I always wanted to be"

Right there is a launching point for a highly complex story, at least for Betsy fans; in answer to the question, did she know? I mean, there is other evidence like when she chose not to go back to her original body when her brother offered and even more. But the problem is, it could look bad for Betsy if it turns out she was ignoring the obvious because she liked what she had become and did not want to give it up. But in the hands of a good writer, it would be a great story and relate to an all too human trait that we sometimes ignore the damage that we do because it is unseen, or we choose not to acknowledge it because we are getting something we want

That's why I hated Tinis's answer, where Kwannon lets Betsy off the hook; we were both victims, so now we can be friends, too easy and kind of lazy writing to resolve a decades-old conflict.; November 26, 2021 at 11:34 AM
Rahsaan said...: @rocket, those are all fantastic points and would make for compelling story if we didn't have so much lazy storytelling/editing at Marvel these days. It actually sound like something from the 1980s heyday which would have been great for character devolopment/insight. Your point about a psychic of Elizabeth's power being clueless that there was a whole other psyche in her head is spot-on! Even if she was subconsciously aware and chose to subconsciously bury Kwannon due to the conflict she witnessed firsthand between the Rogue and Carol personas stuck in one body. Recall that she and Carol became kinda close for a bit.

I think that could be a wonderful story and not totally vilify Betsy if handled correctly. We call that Betsy has a ruthless streak from her earliest days in X-Men that we have largely gotten away from under Tini's writing. Including her lack of regard for other's pyshic agency, including her role in pushing the others through the Siege and some of her previous lack of regard when telepathically intruding on others' thoughts. I'm not saying that she hasn't matured in her empathy from those practices, but one could argue that she was still very much that person when the Kwannon psyche returned to Kwannon's body post-death in Betsy's body.

Like you said, though... Who would write it? I would not trust many of the current X- Office scribes to if I'm being perfectly honest. Save for maybe Hickman or Ewing.

As for Jamie's offer, she did show interest if I recall, but she could n;t turn of Fantomex which was the price that came with accepting that deal.; November 26, 2021 at 12:21 PM
Rahsaan said...: @rocket, the fact that none of these writers have addressed on panel how someone of Betsy's telepathic caliber was unaware that a whole other person was living in her mind once again reinforces that either they are just being really remiss about continuity and characterization or that they just think that readers have little to no attention span and/or logic or intelligence. LOL.; November 26, 2021 at 12:24 PM
randybear said...: Correct! Betsy couldn't agree to sacrifice Fantomex she lingered at the offer she never said no. Same for Cassandra she offered her body back but at the price of letting Cassandra off the hook to do as she pleases. I see these choices more sacrificial than selfish; November 26, 2021 at 2:16 PM
Rahsaan said...: Yeah. That’s what I thought! Literally every time someone has given her a choice she has always seemed sad that there were strings attached! No matter how much of an action junkie she is, it was always made pretty clear what psychological clusterfuck it was to look in the mirror and see the face of another person… Even before she knew that face really did belong to a different person instead of just being cosmetic surgery.

I do think what rocket said about the unpacking of her possibly deliberately or subconsciously suppressing Kwannon to remain in control would be an interesting story with an adept writer. Again, I trust less than a handful of the current regime in the x Office to be the ones to write this without smearing Betsy. I think it is possible to write this with her as the protagonist with an impossible choice. Why on Earth would she want to be trapped with no agency when she didn’t choose to be body swapped nor did she chose to for her own body to contract the legacy virus while Kwannon was in it. it would be an intersecting psychological story if done right. Very different from Rogue deliberately absorbing Carol and not counting on Carol getting stuck.; November 26, 2021 at 4:47 PM
X-Man said...: @Rocketboy I agree about the telepath thing, in addition other Telepaths have been in Betsy's mind such as when Jean trained Betts after Betsy got her full telepathic strength back when Kwannon died. So even if Betsy didn't detect Kwannon, you'd think Jean would. Or Shadow King or Cassandra Nova.

If anything those telepaths just proved that Betsy always wanted her own body. Cassandra is a telepath of the highest order, imo she chose to tempt Betsy with her original body, because she knew that was something Betsy desperaretly wanted by seeing her thoughts.

The body thing is interesting, but we have to remember that when Betsy liked the physicality when she said that statement, she actually thought she was in her own body that was remade by technology & magic. She initially even tried to get Forge to restore her original appearance. She didn't know about a swap until Kwannon arrived claiming to be the real Betsy.

The other thing about the Kwannon situation is that Betsy also was dead for awhile herself after Vargas killed her, so how would Kwannon even be with her? (And Betsy was solely a TK at that time, so how would she have even suppressed Kwannon with no telepathy?) And furthermore if we are being technical. The body that Kwannon is in now, one could argue was/is actually Betsy's.

It was a brand new body that was made by Jamie to be resistant to Telepathy & Magic. He just made it in Kwannon's likeness cause...well he's Jamie lol ( who also tried to later tempt Betsy with her original body for his own means).

One could argue that neither Kwannon or Betsy are actually in their original bodies (yet have their original appearances), but both bodies are actually Betsys lol.

I actually didn't mind Tini's resolution of the matter. Betsy should have never been "on the hook" imho lol.

It was Kwannon's lover/friends who orchastrated the swap to revive Kwannon who was so braindead that they needed the combination of Betsy's telepathy/technology/ & magic to revive Kwannon by violating Betsy. Giving Kwannon her life back & half of Betsy's powers.

The whole reason Kwannon named herself Revanche was because she thought she was actually Betsy at the time & wanted revenge for the violations the real Betsy endured.

Imo it always looked ridiculous that she came on the scene twice claiming 2 different identities and blamed her victimizations on Betsy (once thinking that Betsy was the real "evil" Kwannon & blaming "Kwannon" for her victimization & the other knowing she was actually Kwannon and blaming Betsy for her victimizations lol). Talk about literally having it both ways lol.

The fact that Kwannon literally claimed she was a victim as both "Betsy Braddock" & then as Kwannon should've been all the logic she needed that both women were victims from the get go lol.

Cause once again she named herself Revanche to get revenge on the atrocities done to Betsy Braddock not for anything done to Kwannon (Kwannon who btw she didn't even like, despite ironically turning out to actually be Kwannon lol).

The story could be compelling, but again I think I rather it stay dead. I don't trust these writers lol.; November 26, 2021 at 5:12 PM
Tobias Chatti said...: The body swap story must stop it was ugly the moment it began and became worse with every new writer. Every writer wrote a complicated view of it and made the body swap a monster. We can't erase the horrible idea but we can end it. Tini is lazy but she was right it's time to put it behind and move on. Fallen Angels was garbage and the parasite story of Kwannon in Betsy's mind is debunked by the deaths of Betsy and the manipulations of the Asian body. Nobody would survive inside it without Betsy powering it up with her telepathy speaking of nobody a brain dead empath like Kwannon would collapse like a zombie.; November 26, 2021 at 7:52 PM
Tobias Chatti said...: Ideal is to keep Betsy as Psylocke and Kwannon work by her name or whatever new. Continue with Kwannon wear Betsy's wardrobe and use her name of Psylocke is feeding the animosity from the body swap. The misunderstanding ends when they are restored to who they were before meeting.; November 26, 2021 at 8:07 PM
Tobias Chatti said...: @Rahsaan Fallen Angels with Hill's dumpster fire story for Kwannon parasite is not canon. Ignore it because it lasted for five issues a hole in water for X-Men canon.; November 26, 2021 at 8:12 PM
Alex said...: @Rahsaan Yes! I always felt like I was the only person getting vibes that each time someone offered Betsy her real body, that she felt sad. Our girl knew, that despite the mess of her current situation, it was better to make best then open a new can of worms by taking the offer.

I remember the one panel when she has to kill "herself"/the Cassandra made body. She looks so torn. Yost kinda touched on things in his mini but I felt by the end it came more about Matsuyo & Logan.

I've been critical of both Tini & Hill's respective runs. Especially Hill, he's done some great T.V & Fallen Angels had promise, but it was like has soon as issue 1 was finalized he got that Titans deal & multiple other media offers, he gave up. I enjoyed the idea that it was hinted that Kwannon was raised by the Hand, then tried escaping when she was a teen mom.

Had Hill actually not have given up, she could've been given a proper background that tied into manipulation, control & freedom. Similar theme our lady Betsy has dealt with both before & after the swap.

Tini's stuff was all over the place, some genuinely good moments, with a lot of head scratching. I blame that on her, Covid, another blah X-event (XoS). I enjoyed things like the Corps being reformed as Betsy, Strike, however her general handling of the entire team, not just Betsy, was overall not good.; November 27, 2021 at 5:06 PM
Kiki M. Ishola said...: @Rahsaan the body swap is worn out dragging its feet. Zeb Wells tried to vindicate Revanche and failed. What did Wells wanna prove with Revanche killing a Mojoed Betsy over and over? Crapola squared. I found it disgusting racism against Betsy so Hellions for best comic is in question.

Revanche is in cahoots on the body swap she cheated on Nyoirin with a Hand admin Matsuo and she had it coming with a coma death. Betsy saved Revanche it's a fact the bish should be thankful for Betsy not attacking and stealing from her.

Whether Revanche died after the Legacy virus or hitch hiked up to Betsy's mind from the fire pits is blah. Nobody wants to read a beaten to death horse dung.; November 28, 2021 at 11:20 AM
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Rahsaan said...: Now, Kiki... you stay reading Kwannon for filth. LMAO. Will you ever take to her? Are you excited to see her in Marauders with its eclectic assorted cast?; November 28, 2021 at 3:19 PM
X-Man said...: My feelings aren't quite as strong as @Kiki's lol, but I definitely lean to the side of her perspective on Kwannon. I actually kinda gave my thoughts above under @Rocketboy's post.

I don't necessarily hate Kwannon, but I didn't appreciate her low key victim blaming Betsy for an act her lover/friends orchastrated to revive her in the first place. Kwannon was so bad off/braindead that she needed the combination of magic, technology, & Betsy's telepathy to be revived. This resulted in Kwannon getting Betsy's body & half of Betsy's powers in addition to a new lease on life.

Yet she kinda acted as if Betsy stole her life or something. When in fact Betsy was violated to give Kwannon a new lease at life.

I did like Tini resolving the conflict, but it kinda made KW look like she was gaslighting Betts lol. Like low key blame the girl for taking your life, but then act like she was crazy for feeling guilty and saying they both had things done to them. She should have been saying that from day 1 & Betsy should have been able to defend herself with the points I already mentioned imo.

I could eventually like Kwannon, but I still rather she got her own codename, costume, & powers before I feel like I can 100 percent (an apology to Betts would be great too.); November 29, 2021 at 1:14 AM
FSaker said...: I completely agree with X-Man. Kwannon is pretty likeable in Hellions most of the time - but then we get moments like her fight with fake Betsy, or her revelation that she deals with the body swap situation by imagining herself killing Betsy, and that hurts any sympathy we could feel for her. Like Kiki pointed out, it's hypocritical to paint her as a victim and Betsy as someone who stole her body, when the whole body swap was done by Kwannon's lover. As a way to save her life. Betsy is more of a victim in this situation than Kwannon herself.

The body swap should have never happened, and it doesn't seem like this situation will be truly solved while the creative teams continue putting these two against each other and blaming Betsy for it. If Marvel had DC's habit of rebooting their universe every now and then (I read that DC did it AGAIN this year...), I suppose the body swap would be erased from continuity - but if that happened, I wonder how these two women would be like in the new continuity, as I doubt Marvel would erase Ninja Psylocke.; November 29, 2021 at 8:37 AM
X-Man said...: @Fsaker agreed.

I didn't actually mind the original swap story cause it did kinda explain some things, like how it seemed like Betsy's telepathy weakened after she was a ninja. Saying Kwannon/Revanche took half her telepathy worked & kinda made sense.

Her and Betsy had also kinda resolved any conflict because she specifically took her "Essance/influence" out of Betsy to grant Betsy peace (as well as return Betsy's telepathy to her that she possessed).

So honestly this story was uneeded and made zero sense imho.

Like why didn't Betsy get to mention her victimizations by Kwannon's pals & defend herself?

If Betsy "loved" being in Kwannon's body so much supposedly then why was she offered her original body as bargaining chips so many times as others mentioned?

That'd be like me offering @Kiki a graphic novel of Kwannon's greatest adventures if she did something for me lol (which doesn't make any logical sense lol).
Also the second Betsy was able to get her body back with no strings, she did exactly that lol. So again not logical with the narrative they were trying to pull off.

So much of the story never made sense lol. I didn't exactly mind swap story part 1, but part 2 was so badly written imo.

Like I said, Kwannon ironically is the biggest defense for Betsy because when Kwannon was Revanche, she wanted revenge for the violations done to Betsy Braddock & wanted "Psylocke/Real Betsy" to suffer thinking she was the murderous assassin Kwannon.

Doesn't that kinda say it all? Lol.

As a minority male, I do appreciate what I guess TPTB were trying to do, but honestly if they think being "woke" is just victim blaming a woman for no other reason than she's white and ignoring logic completely, then they need to educate themselves more because that's not it at all. At best it's pretty insulting & at worst it greatly diminishes what being "woke" really is and its true purpose (at least for me lol).

Jmho :); November 29, 2021 at 12:07 PM
Kiki M. Ishola said...: Rahsaan I call it by its looks Revanche has a chip on her crotch. She wears Betsy's everything and passive aggressive refuses to move on. Hill and Wells pointed at Revanche's saltiness for Betsy using her body in ways she can't cause Betsy is superior and she resents her. Revanche should be kissing the feet and ground Betsy walks cause Betsy is the reason she exists like literally.; November 29, 2021 at 3:25 PM
randybear said...: How long before we get an X of X event 🤣; November 29, 2021 at 3:42 PM
X-Man said...: Lol @Randybear.; November 29, 2021 at 3:45 PM
Rahsaan said...: Okay, based on popular demand above, I will follow all your leads and pretend that Fallen Angels is no longer canon (though part of what is happening in Hellions regarding Kwannon’s daughter is a direct offshoot of Fallen Angels 🤷‍♂️) and that Kwannon’s soul never migrated back to her own body when Matsu’o killed her in Betsy’s body, and instead that her soul only migrated back once Betsy permanently vacated it and recreated her own body in Madripoor.

Typing that all reinforces how absurd the body swap conundrum always was. We’re all better off with it over. 😂😂😂; November 29, 2021 at 6:44 PM
randybear said...: Yeah let's just ignore it the way a lot of zbetsys past has been ignored. Besides it was just one line that was somewhat vague IMO.

Like during a sisterhood when they removed Betsys psyche from kwannons body the Asian body stayed lifeless. Where was Kwannons awakening?; November 29, 2021 at 6:47 PM
X-Man said...: Lol. Agreed @Rahsaan with it staying over. I can at least thank Tini for resolving it somewhat neatly.

Persobally I think FA prob is Canon sadly haha, but I think they backed off the "Stuck in Betsy's mind" part once they saw the vocal backlash of Betsy fans.

Nothing was really specific and kinda vague. Enough to just ignore it I think lol.

My apologies for not being more clear with what I meant :); November 29, 2021 at 7:11 PM
X-Man said...: Lol thinking along the same lines as @Randybear. Just saw your response about it being vague haha.; November 29, 2021 at 7:16 PM
Rahsaan said...: @Unknown, my bad. I thought you were asking why about her astral form. I agree on why are we not rotating to a different writer or why is Tini taking us even further down this rabbit hole? Every time I say to give her another chance and that she make make this story interesting, I am proven wrong. Unfortunately, it seems her writing style is just not for me. At all.

@FSaker, Re: Red/White/Blue astral form... NO! LOL! She has a yellow and white astral form when she work pink and purple, so she can still have a yellow and white one or a pink one in her current uniform. I actually like her clothes being red/white/blue but no to her psi-self morphing to those colors. LOL.

Reiss' art looks good, but I am so not looking forward to this next installment unless the Furies, Mad Jim, Merlyn, Morgan are somehow tied directly into what is going on with Krakoa at some point and that it's not dragged out for another two years to show that. And I really need Tini to do better at using her cast's powers in interesting ways. She never writes their powers into stories in ways that show their versatility and expertise.

Also, I wonder where Moira X is? And if we'll see a return of Betsy's random precognition. Probably a no on the latter.; December 17, 2021 at 2:03 PM

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