Do any of you know if this is true? ScreenRant sometimes has totally false information. If this is true, I would love for this original plan to be revisited. Especially, if it finally gets our team back in Earth and makes all this Otherworld stuff worth it and relevant.
@Rahsaan Tini Howard's plotting has me suspicious that the Siege Perilous will reenact the past Master Mold and Nimrod trick resulting in Bastion. Alan Moore will be the least thrilled if that happens to his Fury.
Unless the new Everforge Furies are of another dimension thanks to the Mapmakers razing the old Otherworld and creating its new advanced kingdoms. The real Jaspers Fury lurks somewhere and the new Furies will fill another role in the Hickman bigger picture.
Rachel adopted a long forgotten codename from when she raised Cable. Because Prestige didn't ring all that well like Captain Britain Betsy. Anything is possible.
At the very least I just know Howard will recreate the moment before Betsy sends Alex through Siege Perilous and kisses him but this time it will be Rachel that Betsy kisses.. Literally IMO why Howard wanted a few more issues to make her fanfic canon
@randybear your comment is gold I couldn't hold my laughter. I beg of Howard not to let Betsy walk into the Siege Perilous and exit with a permanent Asian face lift and a very revealing to vulgarity levels costume.
The kiss is unfortunately inevitable. Marvel has a criminal record of incestuous kisses and relationships. Ultimate Pietro and Wanda and Hulk with She-Hulk having a whole batch of offspring together the Hulkbilly Gang. Betsy and Rachel will be added.
@Jaime Braz, considering all the drama that has been made to show Betsy feeling guilty because of a body swap that she wasn't even responsible for, I doubt Marvel will ever give her an Asian face lift again.
As for recreating the kiss moment but replacing Alex with Rachel... I wouldn't be against it; I'm just not sure if there will be enough character development by then to make such a moment believable.
(but I didn't get the "incestuous kisses and relationships" part... Betsy and Rachel aren't relatives, are they?)
@randy, if Tini stays in canon, Elizabeth should not be able to telepathically trick Rachel into the Siege like she did the other X-Men as Rachel's telepathy is either more powerful than or as powerful as hers, no? And I still want a revisit of Alex and Bets' tension.
@Jaime and @FSaker, the incestuous part is that the writers continue to have Betsy attracted to Summerses. However, maybe it's not really all that incestuous and is something as simple as biology and her being attracted to their features and pheromones which are probably similar genetically. Though, it is kinda tacky to hook up with a woman whose uncle and dad you wanted to hook up with and whose brother you did hook up with. She may as well get with Vulcan, Corsair, and Adam X next. LOL.
Everyone, what I'm inquisitive about now is if the Furies will align with Orchis' plans. I had previously said that they should have months ago on this same forum. And now learning that Claremont initially intended to merge Nimrod and the Fury instead of Nimrod and the Master Mold and that he intended for that amalgamation to be the Big Bad behind the Mutant Massacre and Fall of The Mutants has me thinking about how awesome that could have been despite how beautiful both the stories ended up. I hope the writers pick this idea bac up with Mad Jim Jaspers to boot as originally conceived. And I especially hope that we move on from the Arthurian lore once this mini-series ends!
Going back to the big kiss... Maybe we'll be surprised and it's not who we all think it's going to be? Maybe it's two completely unsuspected characters. I really think Rachel shoyuld be with Kate.
It depends on skill as well doesn't it? Rachel was defeated by Emma before because Emma was more skilled despite Rachel being a "powerhouse" in Rachel's words. When the X-Men first split into the Blue & Gold teams, I remember that Betsy masked Logan from both the Professor and Jean using her psi abilities (and turns out at the time, she only had half her telepathy as Kwannon possessed the other half lol). I do think Betsy is a very powerful psi though. Since then, she regained her full teleoathy and then "leved up" even more when AOA Jean unlocked her full potential. Kwannon even noted she can't do the things Betsy can do and remarked on how psychically powerful Betsy was in Excalibur. I also don't think Betsy will trick Rachel though, but not looking forward to anything Romantic between the two of them. I find it incestuous in that I found them to have a sisterly relationship in the past. Guess we'll see soon enough lol.
I forgot to say that even if telepaths might be of similar power strength, I do like the idea of each one having a specific strength in a particular area. For instance I always found Betsy to be more of a trickster psi over the others. Also in Dissasembled I noticed that Jean found it better to have Betsy use her skills to locate Jamie prime vs doing it herself, maybe that was due to Betsy being better at it than Jean? That's just speculation on my part though lol.
Same. Betsy also relied a lot on her psyknife to either discharge or free them of whatever influence the target was under. Its just a shame that CB Betsys TP is just now mostly used to communicate :(
@Randybear yeah I don't get that either. Especially if the CB powerset mainly just enhances her agility etc etc. It'll be interesting to see if Tini uses Rachel's telepathy creatively or will it really be like a fire like powerset now lol.
@FSaker the incestuous part refers to Betsy and Rachel made sisters during the House of M quarantine in the White Hot Room. Their teke communicated and were blended so much so we can christen them siblings. The promise Betsy made to Kate to become a sister's keeper for Rachel strengthens the nature of their sisterly bond and reinforces the initial plan of Claremont to make Kate and Rachel soulmates.
@Rahsaan I desperately want Excalibur and Knights of X plot threads to be tied to the O.R.C.H.I.S story. S.T.R.I.K.E divisions make up of one fourth of the new organization and Betsy with her resurrected Psi division mates were its members. One plus one makes two.
Revisiting abandoned stories is a what if incorporated to further the history of the X-Men. It's safe to say the new Furies can interact with Nimrod the Lesser and Omega Sentinel to escalate the war. That way tension will build inside of the Otherworld and the kingdoms will have to take a stand. Magic versus Technology.
@X-Man we wait and see how Rachel embraces her Askani identity. From Marvel Girl to Prestige Rachel used her hound abilities. The hound marks are absent after entry in the Otherworld. Rachel might be ascending to her true potential in the Otherworld the hub of all realities and she is made stronger thus the new fiery powers that should be of psychic energy.
It's true Betsy has shown better control of telepathy, illusion casting and psi energy. Jean might be a powerful telekinetic and telepath but often times Betsy exhibits mastery in those fields. The time Betsy psi stunned and probed Sabretooth's mind to have a glimpse of Mr. Sinister, probed Jean's mind in Inferno and later Madelyne's, stunned Malice and manipulated her to choose Storm, when Betsy mastered to solidify psi energy into weaponry and ultimately destroy a psi vampire like Sapphire Styx to take her psi energy to fashion a psi construct body for her soul to live in.
Personally, I don't think their time bonding in the White Hot Room was enough to consider them sisters. But the fact that they're close friends does make the idea of turning them into lovers seem questionable. For instance, I love Nightcrawler and I love his friendship with Betsy... so if a writer decided to turn them into lovers, I would probably find it weird, too.
Who knows... I guess if Tini Howard REALLY wants to surprise the readers, a good twist would be to have Betsy remaining single and uninterested in anyone. It's not like one needs to be in a romantic/sexual relationship to have a happy life and feel fulfilled (fanfics and fanarts aside, Street Fighter's Chun-Li - the lead female character in the franchise, may I add - has NEVER had a love interest throughout the games, and the recent games show that she's perfectly happy just teaching her martial arts to kids and taking care of an orphan girl she adopted, for example). And sure, she may fall in love with someone else down the line, but she doesn't need to do it right now.
Betsy's deal is smooching banging with someone to be relevant sorry that's what Marvel folk think. Nightcrawler better get in line Beast is first he licked her she's his.
The Krakoan era features an interesting version of Roma...when did she become all 'tarty' and nekkid? Is my memory faulty here? I always thought Roma was a bit more regal. Why is she like a brothel madame now?
Flying Negro, It is not your imagination. Roma has had a complete personality shift. Go back and read Fall of The Mutants and the first issue of the Outback era. She was nothing at all like this. I guess we all evolve and change. And she has gone from stoic and regal to flirty and possibly lascivious. LMFAO.
Rahsaan the million dollar question is why Betsy stopped having the hots for Alex. The woman put effort in picking the sexiest underwear to woo him. Siege Perilous Alzheimer's and the sort can't put my finger on it.
Roma and Merlin had such iconic looks by Davis IMO or perhaps its my nostalgia I dont hate Romas new look but felt her OG look was much more otherwordly for a lack of a better term 😛
“For so long, my life has been out of control. Chaos and serendipity, wrapped in insanity. I have suffered, I have lost. Not just my life, but my very soul, my self. But no more. Now I know who I am.” – Elizabeth ‘Betsy’ Braddock, daughter of Otherworld, mutant, telepath, telekinetic, defender of the realm and, above all, X-Man.
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Hm improving ain't it? Won't get word for it till it's good stuff. The art's a winner for sure.
When is Betsy going to reunite with the X-Men? The new era has cut her off.
@Kiki Ishola don't think much of it. I like it a little not very much like her Psylocke days.
Do any of you know if this is true? ScreenRant sometimes has totally false information. If this is true, I would love for this original plan to be revisited. Especially, if it finally gets our team back in Earth and makes all this Otherworld stuff worth it and relevant.
https://screenrant.com/xmen-sentinels-alan-moore-nimrod-marvel/
Excellent idea indeed!! I do not expect Howard to reach to that, but would be very pleased if this came to be!
@Rahsaan Tini Howard's plotting has me suspicious that the Siege Perilous will reenact the past Master Mold and Nimrod trick resulting in Bastion. Alan Moore will be the least thrilled if that happens to his Fury.
Unless the new Everforge Furies are of another dimension thanks to the Mapmakers razing the old Otherworld and creating its new advanced kingdoms. The real Jaspers Fury lurks somewhere and the new Furies will fill another role in the Hickman bigger picture.
Rachel adopted a long forgotten codename from when she raised Cable. Because Prestige didn't ring all that well like Captain Britain Betsy. Anything is possible.
At the very least I just know Howard will recreate the moment before Betsy sends Alex through Siege Perilous and kisses him but this time it will be Rachel that Betsy kisses.. Literally IMO why Howard wanted a few more issues to make her fanfic canon
@randybear your comment is gold I couldn't hold my laughter. I beg of Howard not to let Betsy walk into the Siege Perilous and exit with a permanent Asian face lift and a very revealing to vulgarity levels costume.
The kiss is unfortunately inevitable. Marvel has a criminal record of incestuous kisses and relationships. Ultimate Pietro and Wanda and Hulk with She-Hulk having a whole batch of offspring together the Hulkbilly Gang. Betsy and Rachel will be added.
@Jaime Braz, considering all the drama that has been made to show Betsy feeling guilty because of a body swap that she wasn't even responsible for, I doubt Marvel will ever give her an Asian face lift again.
As for recreating the kiss moment but replacing Alex with Rachel... I wouldn't be against it; I'm just not sure if there will be enough character development by then to make such a moment believable.
(but I didn't get the "incestuous kisses and relationships" part... Betsy and Rachel aren't relatives, are they?)
@randy, if Tini stays in canon, Elizabeth should not be able to telepathically trick Rachel into the Siege like she did the other X-Men as Rachel's telepathy is either more powerful than or as powerful as hers, no? And I still want a revisit of Alex and Bets' tension.
@Jaime and @FSaker, the incestuous part is that the writers continue to have Betsy attracted to Summerses. However, maybe it's not really all that incestuous and is something as simple as biology and her being attracted to their features and pheromones which are probably similar genetically. Though, it is kinda tacky to hook up with a woman whose uncle and dad you wanted to hook up with and whose brother you did hook up with. She may as well get with Vulcan, Corsair, and Adam X next. LOL.
Everyone, what I'm inquisitive about now is if the Furies will align with Orchis' plans. I had previously said that they should have months ago on this same forum. And now learning that Claremont initially intended to merge Nimrod and the Fury instead of Nimrod and the Master Mold and that he intended for that amalgamation to be the Big Bad behind the Mutant Massacre and Fall of The Mutants has me thinking about how awesome that could have been despite how beautiful both the stories ended up. I hope the writers pick this idea bac up with Mad Jim Jaspers to boot as originally conceived. And I especially hope that we move on from the Arthurian lore once this mini-series ends!
Going back to the big kiss... Maybe we'll be surprised and it's not who we all think it's going to be? Maybe it's two completely unsuspected characters. I really think Rachel shoyuld be with Kate.
Not saying Betsy will force Rachel telepathically but just have a feeling Howard wants to recreate the kiss but between Betsy and Rachel
It depends on skill as well doesn't it? Rachel was defeated by Emma before because Emma was more skilled despite Rachel being a "powerhouse" in Rachel's words. When the X-Men first split into the Blue & Gold teams, I remember that Betsy masked Logan from both the Professor and Jean using her psi abilities (and turns out at the time, she only had half her telepathy as Kwannon possessed the other half lol). I do think Betsy is a very powerful psi though. Since then, she regained her full teleoathy and then "leved up" even more when AOA Jean unlocked her full potential. Kwannon even noted she can't do the things Betsy can do and remarked on how psychically powerful Betsy was in Excalibur. I also don't think Betsy will trick Rachel though, but not looking forward to anything Romantic between the two of them. I find it incestuous in that I found them to have a sisterly relationship in the past. Guess we'll see soon enough lol.
I forgot to say that even if telepaths might be of similar power strength, I do like the idea of each one having a specific strength in a particular area. For instance I always found Betsy to be more of a trickster psi over the others. Also in Dissasembled I noticed that Jean found it better to have Betsy use her skills to locate Jamie prime vs doing it herself, maybe that was due to Betsy being better at it than Jean? That's just speculation on my part though lol.
Same. Betsy also relied a lot on her psyknife to either discharge or free them of whatever influence the target was under. Its just a shame that CB Betsys TP is just now mostly used to communicate :(
@Randybear yeah I don't get that either. Especially if the CB powerset mainly just enhances her agility etc etc. It'll be interesting to see if Tini uses Rachel's telepathy creatively or will it really be like a fire like powerset now lol.
@FSaker the incestuous part refers to Betsy and Rachel made sisters during the House of M quarantine in the White Hot Room. Their teke communicated and were blended so much so we can christen them siblings. The promise Betsy made to Kate to become a sister's keeper for Rachel strengthens the nature of their sisterly bond and reinforces the initial plan of Claremont to make Kate and Rachel soulmates.
@Rahsaan I desperately want Excalibur and Knights of X plot threads to be tied to the O.R.C.H.I.S story. S.T.R.I.K.E divisions make up of one fourth of the new organization and Betsy with her resurrected Psi division mates were its members. One plus one makes two.
Revisiting abandoned stories is a what if incorporated to further the history of the X-Men. It's safe to say the new Furies can interact with Nimrod the Lesser and Omega Sentinel to escalate the war. That way tension will build inside of the Otherworld and the kingdoms will have to take a stand. Magic versus Technology.
@X-Man we wait and see how Rachel embraces her Askani identity. From Marvel Girl to Prestige Rachel used her hound abilities. The hound marks are absent after entry in the Otherworld. Rachel might be ascending to her true potential in the Otherworld the hub of all realities and she is made stronger thus the new fiery powers that should be of psychic energy.
It's true Betsy has shown better control of telepathy, illusion casting and psi energy. Jean might be a powerful telekinetic and telepath but often times Betsy exhibits mastery in those fields. The time Betsy psi
stunned and probed Sabretooth's mind to have a glimpse of Mr. Sinister, probed Jean's mind in Inferno and later Madelyne's, stunned Malice and manipulated her to choose Storm, when Betsy mastered to solidify psi energy into weaponry and ultimately destroy a psi vampire like Sapphire Styx to take her psi energy to fashion a psi construct body for her soul to live in.
@Jaime Braz, thank you for the explanation!
Personally, I don't think their time bonding in the White Hot Room was enough to consider them sisters. But the fact that they're close friends does make the idea of turning them into lovers seem questionable. For instance, I love Nightcrawler and I love his friendship with Betsy... so if a writer decided to turn them into lovers, I would probably find it weird, too.
Who knows... I guess if Tini Howard REALLY wants to surprise the readers, a good twist would be to have Betsy remaining single and uninterested in anyone. It's not like one needs to be in a romantic/sexual relationship to have a happy life and feel fulfilled (fanfics and fanarts aside, Street Fighter's Chun-Li - the lead female character in the franchise, may I add - has NEVER had a love interest throughout the games, and the recent games show that she's perfectly happy just teaching her martial arts to kids and taking care of an orphan girl she adopted, for example). And sure, she may fall in love with someone else down the line, but she doesn't need to do it right now.
Betsy's deal is smooching banging with someone to be relevant sorry that's what Marvel folk think. Nightcrawler better get in line Beast is first he licked her she's his.
The Krakoan era features an interesting version of Roma...when did she become all 'tarty' and nekkid? Is my memory faulty here? I always thought Roma was a bit more regal. Why is she like a brothel madame now?
Flying Negro,
It is not your imagination. Roma has had a complete personality shift. Go back and read Fall of The Mutants and the first issue of the Outback era. She was nothing at all like this. I guess we all evolve and change. And she has gone from stoic and regal to flirty and possibly lascivious. LMFAO.
Rahsaan the million dollar question is why Betsy stopped having the hots for Alex. The woman put effort in picking the sexiest underwear to woo him. Siege Perilous Alzheimer's and the sort can't put my finger on it.
Roma and Merlin had such iconic looks by Davis IMO or perhaps its my nostalgia I dont hate Romas new look but felt her OG look was much more otherwordly for a lack of a better term 😛
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