PSYLOCKE | CAPTAIN BRITAIN // like a butterfly: X of Swords: Creation Trailer

Tuesday, August 25, 2020

X of Swords: Creation Trailer

63 comments:

Psi-Girl said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; August 25, 2020 at 11:15 PM
randybear said...: I don't think they're killing Lorna shes part of XFactor and I don't think Lorna would have to die for Alex to be with anyone else. Besides there's no indication of a romance between Alex and Kwannon.

Either way I'm fine with Kwannon also claiming Psylocke's slutty nature lmao the casuals wanna say she deserves Psylocke mantle and all that comes with it then she better be stocked up on birth control.; August 25, 2020 at 11:24 PM
Kiki M. Ishola said...: Waiting for the moment Mr Sinister sterilizes REVANCHE why not turn her to his Frankenstein bride. Betsy will be safe from her.; August 26, 2020 at 3:01 AM
Kiki M. Ishola said...: Marvel: How to sell XoS best?

Marvel editors: Slap Wolverine on every cover, promo vids and posters, make sure he is pierced with all ten of swords.; August 26, 2020 at 3:05 AM
Kiki M. Ishola said...: Cebulski: Hold up! Make sure you shove REVANCHE and her coochie-cutter down everybody's throats cause I'm bananas for her.; August 26, 2020 at 3:08 AM
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FSaker said...: I don't think Polaris will be the one biting the dust this time... Glob Herman would be the main candidate if the writers just want a cheap death (I love Herman, but he is the most expendable of those X-Men); if they want an actual shocking death, I'd bet on Archangel, as he's a high-tier X-Man, yet he hasn't been doing much ever since the Dawn of X era started. If they're feeling really bold, Beast would be a surprise (and he's been so annoying in the past years that I wouldn't mind his death at all).

One thing that worries me about this event, more than who is going to die or whether Betsy will remain as Captain Britain or return to her Psylocke identity, is whether Hickman will manage to preserve the quality in the story. His stories are great mostly because he tends to plan them from the very beginning, and the fact that X of Swords was originated from Tini Howard's ideas rather than Hickman's makes me fear this may derail his original plans...; August 26, 2020 at 10:28 AM
Unknown said...: How do you all see this awesome trailer for this super hyped event where Betsy, your favorite character, is a major part of...and still somehow manage to bring up Kwannon?

Anyways, it's looking good and I'm extremely interested in the CB history and what Betsy plans to do with it. We didn't see those alternate CB's Saturnyne created in Excalibur #10 so I wonder if they'll play a part in this event? Will Betsy lead a new batch of otherworldly corps?; August 26, 2020 at 11:28 AM
randybear said...: Everyone who thinks "oh yeah CB Betsy isn't great but Betsy will eventually go back to being Psylocke anyway!" I wish I could be that naive lol; August 26, 2020 at 1:25 PM
Kiki M. Ishola said...: REVANCHE is a threat. I'm not calling her by her name if that's also hers. She has stolen the butterfly, also the psychic knife from Betsy and I've seen her drawn in lots of covers with purple hair under the pretense of the psychic knife glow on her wig.

What's left to Betsy? Really let's count her blessings! An effin purple onion for psychic avatar and a TK sword and shield. Oh forgot to mention the purple hair which get colored candy floss pink by ''accident''.

I won't shut up to this injustice. Cause Captain Britains come and go but Psylocke is forever.; August 26, 2020 at 1:41 PM
Alexis said...: Wow...I never realise there was so much hate toward Kwannon/Psylocke/Revanche on here lol.

I think a lot of people are being unfair to her. If anything writers need to do a better a job at developing the personality of Betsy. Ever since she went back into (or reconstructed) her body, i haven't seen any major character development. She seems super bland to me. Every time I look at her, I see She-Ra on Netflix. Unfortunately, it might take years for her to be fully-developed again. It's the same with Kwannon. Sad to say, but I feel like Betsy was more whole in Kwannon's body (even though it wasn't hers to have).

Also, that Hand bodysuit worn by Kwannon does not degrade her. Yes, (male) artists have objectified it/her. Nevertheless, it's a cool outfit. Jim lee made it look cool when it was first conceived...Psylocke looked like a ninja. Not many artists or writers have managed to recapture those moments. I think people on here are blowing things out of proportion.; August 26, 2020 at 2:18 PM
ShadowJacker said...: Hey Psylocke lovers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IM01eFiTIik; August 26, 2020 at 4:37 PM
Kiki M. Ishola said...: @Alexis don't play coy. You know why. How about Betsy go back to Psylocke with all her powers and butterfly and REVANCHE keep the thong swimsuit with her sweetbreads to call a truce?

That would be a development without mooching off Betsy. You wanna REVANCHE wear some White hand-me-downs forever?; August 26, 2020 at 4:50 PM
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FSaker said...: @Alexis, hey, Netflix's She-Ra is awesome!

But about Kwannon, I suppose the problem is in the way both she and Betsy are being conducted. I have heard that the Hellions book is great, and it's great to know that Kwannon is getting some good development there; the thing is, before Hellions, her time in the Fallen Angels book left many readers (myself included) bitter at her due to the way she treated Betsy there. But in the end she did kinda realize she was being unfair (though the jerk never apologized to Betsy), so I guess she's on the right track to becoming a likeable character.

Betsy's situation may be a little more complicated, as many readers feel Kwannon stole many of her defining traits (personally I don't mind her taking the 1990s ninja suit and the psychic knife, but it is a little unfair that she also took the psychic butterfly effect) and that she should still have the Psylocke codename rather than becoming Captain Britain. My opinion is that it's still early to judge these changes; however, there's also the problem that the person in charge of writing her doesn't seem to be really interested in developing her or in giving her the personality she always had (a problem that also applies to Rogue, Gambit, Rictor and Jubilee, but they at least didn't change their superhero identities). That's a problem Marvel really should start fixing by now.; August 26, 2020 at 6:03 PM
FSaker said...: That all said (and sorry for the long text...), I do agree that Kwannon doesn't deserve all the hate. I did prefer her not to come back during the Mystery in Madripoor story, but now that it happened, killing her off won't solve anything. The best solution would probably be to have Betsy and Kwannon to become friends and maybe even have both of them using the Psylocke codename at the same time (but leave the blue Hand outfit to Kwannon), as some sort of psychic duo like the Stepford Cuckoos (except still having individual personalities and being more action-oriented).

Then again, I still think there is potential to Betsy's time as Captain Britain. Tini Howard just needs to do her justice.; August 26, 2020 at 6:10 PM
Alexis said...: @Kiki...lol. Hilarious. Using your logic then, Betsy should just got back to her Outback self: all her psi powers and butterfly...but leave the fighting skills to Kwannon. I guess with the Captain Britain mantle, Betsy doesn't need the fighting skills if she has powers (which was one of the weaknesses of Captain Britain in the 90s...all brawn and no brains)...but we know she's smarter than her brother.

In any case, my point is that the writers aren't doing a good job developing either characters. I don't know why they enjoy the cattiness between these two...both are different women and they need to shine in their own way. Of course, Kwannon is going to be more like Psylocke than Betsy is, as her body has been the representation of Psylocke for 20+ years. The question now is whether writers are going to do a good job at making Betsy her own character rather than her in Kwannon's body.

To be honest, they should give Kwannon her psychic katana back, as that was her original signature when she first resurfaced, and yes leave the knives with Betsy.; August 26, 2020 at 6:36 PM
Psi-Girl said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; August 26, 2020 at 7:12 PM
Alexis said...: LOL. What a thought.
Can we also campaign for the Phoenix to come back and merge with Jean again?; August 26, 2020 at 7:20 PM
Alex said...: I don't see them killing off Lorna, same for Kwannon. There's apparently big plans in X-factor & some of the other books to explorer Lorna & Magneto has father/daughter. Beyond them finally being confirmed related like over a decade ago, no writers done much to build anything with them, beyond a few words on panel.

There's also plans for Kwannon with Hellions. I know the Hellions writer is acquainted with Hill & Hill left notes for what he was planning to take her but I think the Hellions team said they're only using some of it.

@Alexis, at this point I'm glad the Phoenix is gone but I've always hated when they've passed it to other characters, even Rachel. Especially the last few years with it becoming an Avengers villain/plot point. Seems like each time it came around & a writer was doing Jean justice with her accepting & controlling it fully, editorial goes "lol nope you gotta kill her!"

Though now death in the X-books now is about as inconvenient as acne.; August 26, 2020 at 8:45 PM
Atomic Ton said...: For people who are angry at the Psylocke and Kwannon, please stop. I understand your frustration but I really believe you should blame how Tini Howard who is writing the character for Besty and not the character themselves. If you want to file a complaint, they have email specifically for the X-men Team in Marvel Comics. I think there is going to have a planned story line that addresses the situation but not at this time. The reason I point this out because it was initially highlighted during Hickman heavy dialogue runs about this situation in House of X/ Power of X. So please stop the whining and arguing about Kwannon because most of the people on this chat hasn't been reading all the books. It shows new growth with these characters in the way writer would want to address this properly for the MCU lineup.; August 27, 2020 at 1:27 PM
FSaker said...: "The reason I point this out because it was initially highlighted during Hickman heavy dialogue runs about this situation in House of X/ Power of X"

Was it? From what I've seen, neither Betsy nor Kwannon were shown or even mentioned at all in House of X/Powers of X.

But yeah, I agree. I'm not fond of Kwannon, but her return isn't the problem for Betsy's current situation. And taking her away from the X-books won't solve the problem, either.; August 27, 2020 at 2:01 PM
Atomic Ton said...: FSaker, Sorry, I should have been clearer. Hickman left a clue about the situation where it was very brief. I think it was about the resurrection chamber with two mind or something, I need to look back and find it. I don't exactly remember where but it in all the long dialogue and summary reports that was hinted by the writer (that what I meant). Also to some of the people who mention about killing Lorna when the X-men has a resurrection chamber that bring people alive (REMEMBER?). Beside, have you guys read the Hellion's run because it is absolutely killing it under Zeb Well's control.; August 27, 2020 at 2:28 PM
Alex said...: @Atomic Ton,

So far Hellions has been consistently good compared to the hit or miss issues of Fallen Angels. I liked this issues note that they need to be cautious of her cause she's not Betsy, which is something people on Krakoa are forgetting.; August 27, 2020 at 3:58 PM
Kiki M. Ishola said...: OK REVANCHE riding on Betsy's Psylocke coattails needs to be praised.

Hurrah for the thief REVANCHE. Bury Betsy six feet under. Happy now? Spam the site with ''I'm the Alpha'' bull.; August 27, 2020 at 5:54 PM
randybear said...: Hellions has not been terrible at all but its not mind blowing lol its just entertaining.

People praising Kwannon especially after #3 "wow shes amazing!" All she did was psyknife Wild Child in the head... remember when people hated on Betsy relying on her psyknife? Now suddenly its fresh and amazing lol I swear people are full of shit; August 27, 2020 at 6:29 PM
ShadowJacker said...: @Kiki...whose spamming? I love Betsy, but I know there are people on this site that like Psylocke (in current form). If anything, you're the spammer. I don't even have to read your comments after your name to know it's gonna be ANOTHER "I hate Kwannon" salt-fest. Geez, your posts are so SALTY that I get high blood pressure when I read them...

...and I'm not some newer hormonal fanboy. I started collecting X-Men in the 80's (yeah, I'm that old) and I'm a gay man. I knew and liked Betsy BEFORE the Seige Perilous, but she became my FAV X-Men as the psychic ninja.

Psylocke and ALL the characters are kicking ass in Hellions, because it's being written well. There is actual character development.

@randybear Come on man...In this last issue, Psylocke didn't just knife Wild Child she used the "old ways" (a.k.a. ninja skills) to break his arm & leg, and SNAPPED his neck...awesome art, right?; August 27, 2020 at 9:11 PM
randybear said...: She flexed on Wild Child lmao good for her; August 27, 2020 at 9:49 PM
Ebonthorne said...: @randybear

I'm not throwing any shade. I know you've at least read Hellions #3. Putting aside the Betsy/Kwannon issue, I'm just saying it's being well written and the art is good...not saying it's the equivalent to the Inferno Saga or any epic X-Men tale.

(Alpha Screen Shot)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18f2lckMtxHLpiShCbrIcKQST9MhMlLtaPzi4wxO5JOE/edit?usp=sharing

(Arm & Leg Screen Shot)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CzS9t0dgL-ftpmWG8oiMXtBiLp44bG_qQVzLao4_XdI/edit?usp=sharing

(Neck Snap Screen Shot)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ik-Huzz3mtikRkNgaZ4RM8nllWz73kQT/view?usp=sharing

I'm not anti-Betsy at all. I had high hopes for Betsy in Excalibur. Tini had/has an amazing cast, but it's being written so poorly. People that are upset that Betsy lost the butterfly, knife, and codename should be more upset that she lost a good creative team.; August 27, 2020 at 11:06 PM
Ebonthorne said...: Oh yeah "I Am The Alpha" is just a newly created posting name I made after reading Hellions #3. I've been coming to this site and posting on here for years, so I know the arguments and anger that surrounds Psylocke.; August 27, 2020 at 11:11 PM
randybear said...: I cant speak for others but I've vocalized my distaste for Tinis job on Excalibur so far a number of times along with lead editor Jordan White deciding on many of these changes im not happy with.
Underwhelming is a generous way for me to describe Excalibur. Its a bore, confusing in parts where it doesn't need to be and Betsy is written here more useless than she was during the mid to late 90s.; August 28, 2020 at 12:01 AM
Unknown said...: Betsy as Captain it´s been useless for 11 editions so far. The proof is that in the last edition she was dead and starts the current one as if it were nothing. She is supporting the main character of the excalibur which is the Apocalypse. Her transformation into Captain was a regression from her previous period of entering the x-men. Kwannon had a disastrous debut in fallen angels to say the least. And despite having relatively improved on Hellions, everything is still wrong with her. Before fallen angels,and after mystery, her uniform was already different. She was a Nyoryn´s assassin. The blue costume was from the Tentacle (Ok. Elektra is basically the same, but China has nothing to do with Japan, and all the fuzz became with nicieza didn´t knowing that). Why return with the Psylocke classic? Besides, no one addressed the small fact that she was part of the x-men before as a Revanche. That she actually died in betsy ´s old corpse. It is still curious how she is suddenly aware of marauders. I came to believe that in this third edition she was going to treat madelyne like an old friend ... And so Cyclops who almost canceled the wedding with Jean due to the kwannon's influence on betsy now trust her for wearing the same uniform of psylocke? Just 2 pages and i can transform her in not a bad clone. But Betsy is kinda lost in the new character..; August 28, 2020 at 1:18 AM
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randybear said...: Thanks for sticking around here through all the craziness 😄; August 28, 2020 at 1:24 AM
Alex said...: @Unknown

She's aware of the Marauders cause she's under Sinisters' thumb. The first issue had him, & Scott on the side, giving her just enough information about them for the mission but also keeping a lot about the orphanage a secret beyond it being a clone factory.

My number 1 issue with Excalibur has been the pacing. Sometimes it seems when a writer has big ideas for an overlong arc it can hurt. Some writers can pull it off, some can't. Another thing that I've mentioned before is how Excalibur seems to fit so outside of issues happening on Krakoa & are more reliant on Otherworld. Which is funny cause I remember for years fans wanting to explorer & embrace that side of Betsy cause it seemed to get lost in the ninja/kill addiction theme. In some ways that's hurting it strictly due to pacing, mixed with the pause due to the pandemic. I wasn't alive during the original EXC run but I wonder how well did it balance X stuff with magic stuff?

New Mutants has been a pretty good example of doing things both in & out of Krakoa due to structure & writing.

With Tini & the interviews, especially about the Swords event, it feels like this run has been a slow build up to that, not a build on the characters. Which is something Marvels had a problem at for the last 10 or so years. It feels like they have these big X events that lead to new books/restructuring that either suffer due to lack of time for character development cause next thing you know: New big idea X event to shake the status quo!

I still feel that the body reversals, Betsy becoming CB & Excalibur reforming should've been a result of Krakoa forming in one of the main X-books. It could've helped it feel more organic.; August 28, 2020 at 7:48 AM
FSaker said...: "Whenever Psylocke fans are divided and fight, Edward B. Hill gets a boner. Think about that."

True.

Betsy is quite a divisive character, isn't she? I mean, some of us prefer her in her original body, some of us like her better in Kwannon's. Some of us like her as Captain Britain, some of us want her to become Psylocke again. Some love her telekinesis, others think she should have just telepathy. Some feel it's okay to have Kwannon around, some want her to go away for good.

She's... complex. But she's great, and that's why we all love her.

As for Kwannon, I must admit my opinion changes very often. I wanted her gone when Marvel brought her back, but now her presence in the X-books doesn't bother me. Betsy's situation depends solely on the creative team behind her book. And Hickman, since he's supposed to be in charge of monitoring all the X-books (in fact, he should have Betsy appearing in at least one of the X-Men issues before X of Swords begins; many other X-Men from other books have already showed up there).; August 28, 2020 at 9:00 AM
ShadowJacker said...: @FSaker...true, very true.

@Psi-Girl...no disrespect to you (or any other poster) was intended. You're right, we all have and are entitled to our own thoughts about this wonderful mess we happen to geek over. But if someone comments on my posting, claims it's spam, or tries to dismiss or devalue my opinion by incorrectly assuming my preference is based on a casual knowledge of Psylocke's history or is motivated by hormonal fanboy urges then I'm gonna CLAP back.

No ill will though. Psylocke is like a rainbow. We can all appreciate it and see that it's beautiful, we just can't agree on which color is the best.; August 28, 2020 at 10:34 AM
Alex said...: @FSaker,

I think the ideas behind Excalibur are interesting but Tini is not the writer for this book. I know Hickman & the rest of the X-Office all talk about how she's into magic, history & other stuff & that she's perfect for the book. However if nothing feels like it's moved after 12 or so issues I think it's time for a new creative team to take over.

It's not just Betsy who's meh in this book, who should have so much to pull from. From leading a team, no longer being the resident ninja psychic, etc. She's at this great point in time where someone could explorer who she is & where she could go at this point but most of it's falling flat under Tini. I'm saying this about the team as a whole. I like what she's doing with Apocalypse but he's coming across as the most interesting character atm when it's supposed to be an ensemble.; August 28, 2020 at 10:41 AM
Unknown said...: All Kwannon is getting is the nost superficial showing in Hellions. It's akin to Betsy in the 90's. Cool, cold, killer chick with no real depth or underlying story. She's still a complete blank slate and really only remembered when Hellions comes out. To be so bitter about her and her current place in the x-world seems a little strange.

Especially when we're getting an event where Betsy is literally a huge part of. How can you say Marvel is sabotaging her or really think they're propping Kwannon up over her when everything in front of us says otherwise? Betsy is the one on all the covers. She's the one being discussed in interviews. She's the one who's on promo art. A butterfly and a psychic knife aren't that important in the grand scheme of things. This is comics, she'll get them back eventually.; August 28, 2020 at 11:18 AM
Alex said...: @Unkown,
Which is why in Kwannon's case I hoped FA could've been better. Hill kept saying he had all these ideas for her, Cable & Laura but they seemed to fall apart a few issues in. Think it was a mix of him apparently getting his script ideas for TV/Film getting the green light, mixed with vague personal issues he'd bring up on Twitter/interviews. Even in a pre production script point, that's more money than writing a B team comic can bring.

I don't see her as a threat at all, despite getting the butterfly & ninja imagery.
Our girl can make a full freaking sword & shield now & isn't forced to take on badly written vague East Asian femme fatale stereotypes. Both of them are in separate books so that also helps alleviate the issue of having two psionics on one team. Betsy is on a lot of covers & has some point in the Swords event while Kwannon's only appeared in one piece of art for it.

Only thing I can say for Kwannon is that I'd like to see a writer touch on her need to learn "good". She's aces with violence but I don't see much time for introspection in Hellions. Especially is Scott is using her to "take care" of any issues on the team.; August 28, 2020 at 12:16 PM
Kiki M. Ishola said...: Funny how the sexism and the wrongs of Hollywood fit into a REVANCHE thong.

Comics are a male crack. Straight males drool over REVANCHE's almost naked body and the sexualized way she is drawn. Variants of her in naughty positions keep coming to bait males.

Gay men worship REVANCHE like a cone bra Madonna and a firecracker bra Lady Gaga. A stripper icon and a dominatrix like Emma Frost that spell mommy issues.

Women are no exception cause they cosplay her look for likes and views and to draw the male gaze onto them.

I'm at the lowest point cause I wish Claremont whored up Betsy in her White body instead of changing her to Asian. So that the race change and identity drama wasn't there.; August 28, 2020 at 12:38 PM
FSaker said...: ...Well, Betsy did spend lots of time in a skimpy bathing suit in the Outback era. And I'd say her popularity in the 1990s has less to do with being "whored up" (although it did contribute to that) and more with the huge popularity the X-Men relaunch had (X-Men Vol.2 #1 is still the best-selling comic book in History, right?) and also the huge popularity NINJAS had in the 1990s pop culture.

Sex appeal isn't enough to keep a character popular; the Image/Top Cow heroines are proof of that. Witchblade and Vampirella may be still around (I guess), but they're pretty much Z-list comic book characters nowadays (which is a shame in Witchblade's case; she had a nice personality from what I remember).

(by the way, do you guys remember that Cyblade chick that was a blatant Psylocke rip-off?); August 28, 2020 at 12:58 PM
Alex said...: @FSaker

Witchblade started loosing fans when Top Cow/Darkhorse/Image started going down hill when comics started dying in the mid-late 90's. Shame cause for a 90's comic it had pretty good writing & Sarah truly developed throughout it's entire run. My moms got the hardcover volumes of the og series. What also hurt was the fact in the last few years some horny fan boys got upset about the costume change. Similar due to the Psylocke thong complaints they changed the armor to something that actually fully covered the user. Or when they put Wonder Woman in pants. It was still very sexually designed, boob armor/form fitting metal/catsuit with designs obviously made to emphasize the butt/crotch/boob area.

However fans accused the creators of going PC, like what was happening with a lot of female costumes that got redesigned around a few years ago.

It also hurt that they made her a mom later on & some fans wanted single, child free Sarah & instead of bowing & getting rid of her kid they brought in a new Witchblade user who was like Sarah's polar opposite.

It went on for almost 21 years straight Which for any comic, especially a female led one is unheard of.

I've been reading the reboot which has gone the modern non sexualized route from the start.; August 28, 2020 at 1:34 PM
Kiki M. Ishola said...: @FSaker you can't feel my virtual hug but I'll send anyway. ＼(^o^)／

You made my day sweetums!

Cyblade was the in your face snipe from Silvestri at Ninjalocke. Done right. Silvestri opened up that he loved to draw the Outback X-Women and learned his art with Betsy's lingerie and the girls different backgrounds and styles.

I'm no copyright guru but I'd give Cyblade to REVANCHE to end the drama. Shi her teammate could do.; August 28, 2020 at 2:23 PM
Ebonthorne said...: @Kiki M Ishola...

...ooooh, this is so good. Now we're gonna to get an EXPERT psych evaluation by our resident professionally trained psychologist and psychic poster.

I mean you must be a psychic psychologist because you're able to glean everyone's deep-seeded and personal reasons for liking Psylocke without meeting ANY of us and connecting those reasons to our obvious pathologies.

Thank God I didn't SALT my popcorn, because I just scraped off plenty from your CONDESCENDING, STEREOTYPING, SEXIST, HOMOPHOBIC, TROPE PUSHING post. You missed racism though (tsk, tsk). Next time, maybe say "Black Lives Matter...as long as you use 'REVANCHE' when referring to Psylocke."

Seriously @Kiki M Ishola, you're the only one who seems obsessed with Psylocke's uniform. You constantly use it to promote an online image of you championing anti-sexism when you just posted generalizing and negative TROPES about genders and sexual identity. GUESS WHAT...human beings (which include psychic ninja Psylocke fans) are much more complicated and nuanced than your Discovery Channel psychology education would have you believe (CLAP).

More importantly though - if some straight men, gay men, and women DID like Psylocke for those reasons, MORE POWER TO THEM (CLAP) (CLAP)! Who the HELL are you to decide what reasons are legitimate for liking Psylocke (CLAP) (CLAP) (CLAP)?!

Save your fingers the strain of typing a response...I already can predict what you're gonna post:

"Blah blah blah REVANCHE bad blah thief. Blah blah sexism blah coochie-cutter blah blah. Blah blah blah the real Psylocke blah blah butterfly. Blah blah hair needs to be more purple blah blah. Blah blah blah I'm the only TRUE fan of Betsy blah blah." (CLAP) (ROLLING EYES) (HAND to FACE).; August 28, 2020 at 2:36 PM
Kiki M. Ishola said...: Precious Ebonthorne your comments coming from multiple fake accounts give us life. Enough to show how snowflakey REVANCHE fans are. Be a darling and keep us company to Betsy's bumpy ride.

I don't need BLM to chant my rights and worth as a Black woman. Black women are resilient and never back down. I see injustice in real time or fiction I call the ish out and the ones responsible. Being Black doesn't mean I'll shut my trap to a White woman treated like garbage, and I surely won't let a female POC be dressed like a tramp.

As a man you'll never get how disgraceful and humiliating it is. You're complicit by ignorance.

Butterfly kisses xoxo

p.s. easy on the popcorn it's a hazard 4 teeth.; August 28, 2020 at 5:07 PM
randybear said...: Wow yall going in hard rn lmaoo
Let's kinda end it here, shall we?; August 28, 2020 at 5:53 PM
Ebonthorne said...: @randybear...agreed. No need to give fuel to toxicity. I just felt that posting negative tropes to support sloppy logic should be called out.

@Kiki M Ishola...thanks for the Butterfly kisses, I'll make sure to give them back to Psylocke over in Hellions.; August 28, 2020 at 6:52 PM
Unknown said...: Oop. Y’all got drama forreal lmao; August 28, 2020 at 8:11 PM
Kiki M. Ishola said...: Ebon Kuroi plz don't. The kisses might be laced with venom. Some butterflies are beautiful beeyotches. Don't wanna happen something bad to REVANCHE. Do we?; August 29, 2020 at 10:21 AM
Finn said...: I know nobody read Fallen Angels but they said that Kwannon was mad at Betsy for being slutty wheb using her body , even Betsy felt guilt for it.; August 29, 2020 at 7:15 PM
Finn said...: Exactly!; August 29, 2020 at 8:04 PM
Finn said...: I remember Cyblade and yes Asian Psylocke was a badass bitch! Nit just eye candy.; August 29, 2020 at 8:06 PM
Finn said...: Not just eyecandy*; August 29, 2020 at 8:07 PM
Finn said...: Same * :s afraid af to post my opinion; August 29, 2020 at 8:10 PM
Finn said...: Forget I ever post this * please don't come at me or attack me .; August 29, 2020 at 8:12 PM
FSaker said...: "I know nobody read Fallen Angels but they said that Kwannon was mad at Betsy for being slutty wheb using her body , even Betsy felt guilt for it."

Which doesn't make much sense, because Kwannon herself was quite slutty prior to the body swap. And while the Revanche outfit was more conservative, it was shown that she had another one that she wore when the body swap happened which was not only slutty, but tacky as well (if I remember correctly, it was a leather leotard with a lot of skin exposed, plus a leather dominatrix mask)... so Betsy should be mad at her as well.

Not to mention Kwannon didn't even take good care of Betsy's body, having it contract the Legacy virus and die before they could even think of a way to undo the body swap.; August 29, 2020 at 8:32 PM
Unknown said...: Fsaker, that is not accurate though. First, the purple masked outfit that you're referring to was one that Kwannon had worn prior to the body swap. In other words, it was in her own body. So Betsy has no reason to be mad at Kwannon about that as it didn't involve Betsy's body at all. Second, you don't "have" your body contract a fatal Legacy virus. It's not like you raise your hand and volunteer or order it like a burger and fries. Illyana also got the virus as a child and died. The Legacy virus storyline was meant to be tragic, not about unhealthy lifestyles. Third, Kwannon was depicted as having a love interest prior to the bodyswap. That is singular - one love interest. That is not enough to make her "slutty". Anyways, I have no idea why this discussion is sort of devolving into slut shaming, it's 2020.

My point isn't to side with Kwannon over Betsy or anything, I love them both. I just wanted to point out that I read those issues (which were written in the dark ages of X-Men comics where everything went downhill, might I add) and the above is not an accurate depiction of Kwannon pre-body swap.

I do think it's interesting that the subject of Betsy having had many or multiple lovers while she was in possession of Kwannon's body sort of reinforces Leah Williams' body dysmorphia storyline. Not that I necessarily agree with the body dysmorphia approach, but I think the two pieces fit together because on one hand, it was well-established that Betsy didn't feel comfortable in her old body even before the body dysmorphia storyline, which Leah Williams followed up on with that storyline. But then Betsy became very uninhibited when she was in Kwannon's body because she finally felt more free.; August 29, 2020 at 9:12 PM
Unknown said...: Butterfly venom is weak. Some are a bit venomous because they eat venomous prey, so small predators like birds will stay away from them, but they can't really do much harm to larger mammals or humans.; August 29, 2020 at 9:18 PM
randybear said...: I read the entire series and that was never implied or mentioned.; August 29, 2020 at 10:13 PM
Unknown said...: Yeah, Kwannon never said she was mad that betsy was having sex in her body. She was just mad Betsy was in her body, period. She felt robbed and tossed to the side. It's interesting that the one person who would probably understand Betsy in this situation is Rogue considering all the Carol Danvers stuff yet it's never come up once.

Leah's body dysmorphia was strange because Betsy might not have been comfortable in her og body but that was simply because she couldn't fight. She was a model who constantly roamed around the outback in her lingerie. I'm sure she had the occasional fit of dysmorphia but to the point for Leah to say Betsy NEVER liked her body or had an eating disorder just seemed left field.; August 31, 2020 at 5:45 PM
Kiki M. Ishola said...: @Unknown for that Betsy and Anna-Marie are besties. Tough and cool but are troubled and nice gals. And Dazzler. Dazzler was the Donna Summer that bombed and collaborated with the Sophie Dahl and the Bonnie of the X-Men. Three they reigned supreme.; September 1, 2020 at 11:08 AM
randybear said...: I wish Nightcrawler was on Excalibur instead of Rictor. Sure its nice to have gay representation but my god is he boring.

Its funny cause as a gay male I never found Northstar or Rictor engaging. Northstar is a bitch and Ric just simps Shatterstar.

The only gay male xcharacter I liked was Anole because he wasn't a stereotype nor was he tied down in a relationship. Like just cause a character is gay doesn't mean they HAVE to be in a relationship.

This is why I hate when fans pester on Twitter that Betsy NEEDS a gf. She doesn't need shit. I prefer her single above all else rather than be tied down with relationship drama and if she does id prefer it be with Warren because he doesn't outshine her, she wears the pants and always ends up looking better and more badass at the end if their stories together.; September 4, 2020 at 10:03 PM

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