Saturday, March 16, 2019

Age of X-Man Secret Variant Covers by Carlos Pacheco


Age of X-Man: The X-Tremists #1 Secret Variant Cover
Age of X-Man: Apocalypse & The X-Tracts #1 Secret Variant Cover

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24 comments:

Rahsaan said...

Super Butterfly Effect! Interestingly enough, Betsy didn’t start displaying the Butterfly until Uncanny 213, right? She didn’t display it in her New Mutants Annual 2 or Marvel UK, correct?

March 17, 2019 at 12:22 AM
Benjamin Hutton said...

Correct. Before that it was all about flashing/energy eyes.

Love this art. Hate the hair.

March 17, 2019 at 1:07 AM
Rahsaan said...

@Benjamin, I kinda dig the glowing eyes. She still
does those now sometimes. I like that and like the cute butterfly as her astral form.

March 17, 2019 at 9:43 AM
Rahsaan said...

I don’t dig the hair eithet. I like it most how it was on the David Finch cover. That’s more her style.

https://www.cbr.com/marvel-uncanny-x-men-david-finch-variant-cover/amp/

March 17, 2019 at 9:44 AM
FSaker said...

Nice covers! Will the other miniseries get these, too?

Reading the text in them made me remember that even the X-Men are subject to the Department X's brainwashes. And that, in turn, made me remember that the solicitations have indicated that some of the Department X agents will also break the rules of the Age of X-Man (yay!)... in that case, I wonder: who would brainwash them? Nate himself?

March 17, 2019 at 3:24 PM
randybear said...

I'm gonna assume the first one that will come for, or try to recondition Psylocke and Blob will be Moneta

March 17, 2019 at 9:09 PM
X-Man said...

Is Jean supposed to be younger than Betsy in this reality?

March 17, 2019 at 9:17 PM
FSaker said...

@CmX - Yeah, I guess Moneta would be in charge of "reconditioning" her teammates. Which brings the question: WHO is Moneta? Was she among the mutants brought by Nate to his reality... or is she a creation of his to keep things in order?

She's one of the big mysteries so far, the other being Danielle Moonstar being in this reality and in the main reality at the same time, the only person existing in both so far (although there's a future cover for Nightcrawler's mini that seems to indicate Mystique is also in AoXM, when we know she's also supposedly joining Emma Frost's Hellfire Club.

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@X-Man - That's a good question. Who is the older one in the main reality, anyway? But even if Jean's younger than Betsy in the main reality, she does seem to be even younger in AoXM; she even looks younger than X-23...

March 18, 2019 at 9:28 AM
X-Man said...

@FSaker I got the impression they are around the same age in the main reality. In the AOXM reality I almost wonder if X-Man de-aged Jean to her teens. She looks really young.

March 18, 2019 at 10:01 AM
Benjamin Hutton said...

Betsy, at least in her original body, was always presented as being older than the original class of X-Men (with the possible exception of Beast).

Consequently, and I assume due to the fact they didn't meet until she had been an X-Man for quite some time, she's always behaved with Xavier like a contemporary - as opposed to the rest of the X-Men, Wokverine included, who all have some sort of surrogate father/teacher dynamic going on.

It's one of the things I always liked about their rare interactions.

March 18, 2019 at 10:33 AM
Rahsaan said...

@Bejamin, you perceived Betsy to be older. She struck me as about the same age as Storm and Dazzler. Nightcrawler and Havok when she first joined the team. She was, of course, older than Rogue and Kitty and the New Mutants. I think she speaks to Xavier like a contemporary as she was fostered as a student under his tutelage like many of the others. I feel the same way about his interactions with others, like Remy and Cecilia.



Again, everyone... I don't think Jean is meant to be younger. In the issue where we saw Lucas' memories of their relationship, she appears to be an adult. I think that like with other issues in Marvel editorial, like Bets looking Eurasian, it's just inconsistent art that makes her look like Jean. I also think that the late 60s/70s homage to Marvel Girl attire also reinforces that.

March 18, 2019 at 1:09 PM
Rahsaan said...

Also, note that Betsy looks like a kid in the image above from the Jordan White interview. The art in this X-over is just mad inconsistent. No one was de-aged.

March 18, 2019 at 1:34 PM
randybear said...

Rahsaan. He said older than the original class aka O5 which I agree with. I believe Psylocke was intended to be in her early 30's when she joined the XMen.

That doesnt matter now as Psylockes newest body regardless of how old it appears is basically new so Psylocke should in theory be able to live up to another 100yrs! Lol

March 18, 2019 at 2:45 PM
Rahsaan said...

@CmX, I know what he said. What I thought he meant was that she was older than them chronologically. Or did Benjamin mean older than they were when she joined the school?

March 18, 2019 at 4:24 PM
Xiaodave said...

" I think she speaks to Xavier like a contemporary as she was fostered as a student under his tutelage"

I don't think that was ever the case. The joined the x-men proper very soon after her new mojoverse eyes were installed and had not met the x-men before that

March 18, 2019 at 6:05 PM
Benjamin Hutton said...

What I said was that she was older than the original X-Men, with the exception of perhaps Beast, who was always presented as being a little older.

I could comb through every back issue and find the minutiae to exactly verify this, but anecdotally Betsy was a qualified pilot while Jean and Cyclops were still being presented as teenagers.

I always thought that she was meant to be around 10 years older than Cyclops while in her original body (as Emma Frost was meant to be a contemporary of Xavier originally, but has subsequently been subtly retconned because of her relationship with Cyclops).

Psylocke never met Charles in her original body. She joined the X-Men in his absence, had all her Australian adventures, got body-swapped and then didn't meet him until all the Shi'ar shenanigans (and even then the first time she met him it was actually a Skrull imposter).

They barely interact thereafter, with Charles even commenting in X-Men #29 that where Psylocke is concerned there's "little advice" he can give regarding her. But when the two do interact there seems to be an implied mutual respect and relationship of equals between them.

Also worth noting: Everything Psylocke knows about telepathy she either figured out herself or learnt during her time at S.T.R.I.K.E. She was never tutored in her telepathy by Charles.

March 19, 2019 at 1:07 AM
Unknown said...

Betsy is the same age as Captain Brittain Brian Braddock. However old he is she is

March 19, 2019 at 3:15 AM
Rahsaan said...

@Benjamin, great memory! Yes, Charles met Bets, Remy, and Jubilation all at the same time! As for her being a pilot and model in the 70s, weren't the O5 being presented as young adults by that time as the new X-Men from Ginat Sized 94 had already joined them? I thought the X-Men were young adults by the mid to late 70s as Dark Phoenix took place in 1980 and they were definitely young adults by then. I figure that Betsy could be both a pilot and a professional model by young adulthood.

March 19, 2019 at 3:38 PM
Jaime Braz said...

X-Man has brainwashed everyone and since it's his reality his mommy issues kicked in and made Jean look younger.

Betsy has stronger telepathic abilities than Jean as both a telepath, psi like Nate and a clairvoyant; a power often forgotten by writers. Only Nate and Psylocke showcased the power to recreate their bodies out of psionic energies, so Betsy will be the first to break free from her conditioning like she did against Dr. Synne, S.T.R.I.K.E, Mojo, Spiral, Amahl Farouk, Jamie Braddock and Sapphire Styx. Jean is an omega telekinetic without the phoenix force and a simple telepath.

@Benjamin Hutton yes Betsy is slightly older than Scott, Jean, Bobby and Warren. Don't know if it counts after she rebirthed herself from Sapphire Styx. Like Rahsaan said it is possible to be of the same age.

@Rahsaan Chisolm the David Finch variant of Betsy is beautiful.

March 20, 2019 at 11:30 AM
Benjamin Hutton said...

"@Benjamin, great memory! Yes, Charles met Bets, Remy, and Jubilation all at the same time!"

Not to nitpick but (it is kind of my thing)...

Betsy met Jubilee when she and Wolverine freed Betsy from The Hand during the original body swap (Uncanny X-Men #257/258).

She then met Gambit when he and 'stormy' - and everyone else - got caught up in Genoshan mess of the X-Tinction Agenda (Uncanny X-Men #272-ish)

And then Skrull Charles, and at the end of the issue is imprisoned with real Charles - Uncanny X-Men #275.

March 20, 2019 at 7:40 PM
Jaime Braz said...

@Benjamin Hutton Jubilee met Betsy long before that in her original European body. It was during the Outback era in UXM issue 244 when the X-Men had taken over the Reavers headquarters and Gateway teleported them around the globe.

The X-Women (Storm, Rogue, Dazzler and Psylocke) teleported for shopping at a mall and encountered Jubilee who was fascinated by them. They battled against the M Squad and Betsy saved Jubilee by pulling her out of M Squad's Inferno Captor. That's why Jubilee hopped into Gateway's portal to live in secret with the Outback X-Men until the Siege Perilous event.

After, Jubilee couldn't recognize Betsy inside of Kwannon and was suspicious in Madripoor. Recently, in the hunt for Wolverine in Madripoor and after the Sapphire Styx incident, it was a nice touch for Jubilee to go talk to rebirthed Betsy and reassure her with a heart to heart coming full circle.

http://vampirejubilee.tumblr.com/post/92850810454/jubilees-first-appearance-her-introduction-to

Chris Claremont inspired Sex and the City with his X-Women in a way.

March 20, 2019 at 8:49 PM
Benjamin Hutton said...

I did't count Uncanny X-Men #244 as Psylocke and Jubilee don't actually meet, or exchange words - certainly no introductions are made. Betsy sees her and then tries to pull her away from the mutant eating machine. That's the extent of their interaction, over three or four panels, with only a line or so of dialogue regarding the struggle.

Then at the end Psylocke can't find her with her telepathy (at this point Jubilee was still being written as resistant or immune to telepathy), and the X-women promptly forget she ever existed. They don't even realise she's come back with them to Australia.

I guess it's technically a 'meeting' in the strictest definition of the word, but I would say they don't really meet until The Hand stuff. Even then, we never see Betsy make an on-panel connection between the child she saved at the mall, and Jubilee.

March 21, 2019 at 2:44 AM
Jaime Braz said...

@Benjamin Hutton I never remember Jubilee has immunity to telepathy because writers toss it like Betsy's precognition. I thought the contact at the mall between Betsy and Jubilee who had her defenses down made them instant friends using her telepathy and Betsy pretended to not know her to protect Jubilee's anonymity. It happened when Betsy entered Jean's mind during the Inferno in UXM #242 before her body switch and they became instant familiars.

Given you are right, this proves that Marvel has treated Jubilee abysmally. You reminded me that Jubilee also goes undetected by Sentinels and security systems. Bastion couldn't handle her and she definitely has to be an Omega level mutant that Marvel depowered and turned into a vampire.

March 21, 2019 at 6:02 AM
Rahsaan said...

Again, I must state that I really love this community. Even when we are debating. So many of you have great attention to detail and respect the lore and its continuity in a way that many of Marvel's current writers do not.

March 21, 2019 at 10:52 AM

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