And if you pause on Kwannon's image shes surrounded by butterflies. Its official! Oh well let's hope whatever way Betsy manifests her powers is just as iconic or at least appealing to look at
Yes I've been promptly corrected on twitter lol my apologies I'm not familiar with Morgan Le Fay but that sounds like an interesting villain for Betsy.
I’m not mad about the butterflies that Kwannon has around her. I actually hate when Betsy’s power is displayed like real looking insects like the giant monarch in Astonishing. Her best power signatures to me were the glowing eyes and body and the astral projection with the abstract eye-winger butterfly. the real looking 🦋 never was my cup of tea. I’d be cool with her going back to this ferocious power signature including the yellow color scheme as it contrasts with her purple hair.
The butterfly thing is Marvel trying to make Kwannon resemble Betsy as much as possible for marketing purposes. I'm gonna go on a personal rant about my feelings towards the body swap and everything that's happening recently (Not trying to start shit just letting out my personal feelings) personally I don't like it. Backstory I grew up with X-men in the 2000s with the movies and video games (Also character encyclopedia) and I was first introduced to Psylocke in X-men Next dimension and loved her. Her design was so striking to me, I loved the purple hair and her outfit (I'm indifferent on the swimsuit look because I hate when artists draw it with a thong but if it covers her up I think it looks fine like in Ultimate Alliance 3 for example) as well as her psychic knife and butterflies I started reading comics in the early 2010s and really fell in love with Psylocke in Uncanny X-Force. She was a tragic hero who has been through a lot and acted as a voice of reason on the team. The dark angle saga is one of my favorite storylines for her I still tear up when I think about the scene when she "killed" Warren and gave him fake memories of a happy life with them together. Another great scene for me was when she was willing to sacrifice herself to stop the future from happening (I could go on about Betsy in UFX because she really was great that entire book and there are so many other moments that made me love her). I also liked her character development in the follow-up volume of UFX, I loved how it dealt with her vows to not kill after everything she experienced, it was so heartbreaking to see her kill Cassandra Nova after working so hard. It shows that at the end of the day Betsy will do what's right, even if it means making the sacrifice and her moral compass is what separates her from other anti-heroes. Anyway, flash forward to 2016 with X-men apocalypse coming out it rekindled my love for Psylocke and the X-men. After seeing the movie I started reading the comics again and really got back into them with Bunn's Uncanny. Psylocke was amazing in there, she was such a badass and I liked how she didn't take shit from Magneto. I loved seeing her and Warren again as well as Fantomex back in the mix. I love how independent she was, she didn't blindly follow Magneto she took his side because she believed he was the best chance at survival for mutants. My favorite moment for her in that series was the final issue when she faced off against Magneto and killed him. It was a great moment for many reasons for one it followed up on her promise to kill Magneto if he stepped out of line showing how she will do what needs to be done if it's what she believes it's for the greater good. Also, she killed Magneto meaning she is more powerful than him. Her character was doing so well and it felt like she finally moved past the confusing body-swapping stories. Then marvel brought it all back and to me, I lost the Psylocke I fell in love with. The new (or old depending on who you ask) isn't the same Besty to me, she's someone new. I really haven't been won over by her yet and it doesn't help she was in some of the worst X-men stories (I cringe thinking about what Williams did to her in AOX). Marvel thinks Kwannon taking Betsy's aesthetic is gonna, please everyone but to me, it highlights so many issues I have with the change and I don't feel like I have the Psylocke I love anymore. I'm not bashing on fans of British Betsy or Kwanno fans I'm sure the change makes them happy but for me, it feels like a loose loose situation. I will give the new Dawn of X books a chance and see how I feel about Kwannon and Captain Britan Besty. Sorry for rambling I just wanted to share how I feel about Betsy and my history with her.
I'm upset about the butterflies. Even if Betsy evolved beyond it, imo it's still uniquely hers. I just think it presents Kwannon as a copycat. She has Betsy's old uniform, her old codename, and seemingly Betsy's psychic powers. Even when Jean and Betsy switched powers and Jean took on some of the physical aspects of Betsy's telepathic powers, Jean made it unique to herself (manifesting a psychic Phoenix Raptor instead of a psychic knife or blade), I don't get why Kwannon can't do the same and do something uniquely hers instead of getting the butterfly signature and the psychic knife which have been associated with Betsy for years. Even when Kwannon was in the British Body, she used a telepathic katana. I hope they explain why she suddenly wants to use the knife lol. I am excited for Excalibur though. I hope Betsy alternates between this current uniform and the Captain Britain one. This latest uniform looks great.
@Ry I do agree with a lot you said and share some similarities. For me I also started reading with "asian" Psylocke and thought she was great, I started reading right before the Kwannon storyline and was surprised to find out what Betsy had really been through when Kwannon came on the scene. I then got older comics and loved her even more as the "trickster telepath" in the past. I think fans of "British" or "Asian" Betsy probably agree that her personality should remain consistent regardless of the body she retains. A lot of classic Psylocke fans, probably had the same issues in the past as you have now as her personality seemed to drastically change. They kinda cleaned some of it up with saying it was Kwannon's influence on Betsy. Anyway as much as I loved Betsy in Uncanny X-Force and her mini series, or working with Magneto etc etc, I still always felt bad that she was forcibly put into someone else's body without her consent and was taunted about it over and over. I always likened it to a rape of sorts and was sickened at what was done to her. Even if us fans liked her in that form, and Betsy liked the physical skills it granted her, it was also very clear she was making the best out of an awful situation and still yearned to be in her original form. Which got people like Jamie or Cassandra Nova try to entice her with it in exchange for something for them. Because that yearning was still there, I was glad Betsy finally got her wish, on her terms, and by her own doing. I hope she still is the badass we have come to love and know all these years and the writers have great stuff in store for all of us :)
I've seen a few people use the "she feels like a different character now" line and I'm genuinely curious where that comes from? All of her personality during MiM/Disassembled was in line with everything that had happened before and the only time it was different was during that awful AoXm mini where everyone took on different character traits. Aside from a new costume and codename nothing about Betsy's personality (which we haven't even seen yet because Excalibur hasn't started) has shifted from what it once was.
@Unkown, this! Thank you for pointing this out! In fact, in Disassembled she still even did stupid action junkie stuff like charge Nate, similar to her prior behavior such as fighting Slaymaster and psy-knifing Iceman only to freeze herself and everyone. The only times we have seen a drastic change in personality was when she became broody and silent post body swap (understandable after a traumatic violation), then evolved to sexually prey on Cyclops while he was with Jean, and then when she became darkly obsessed with Maggot and creepily sneaking up on folks via shadow teleportation with the Crimson Dawn. I get that some love Asian Psylocke, but to say having her tru face back equals a different character is actually ignoring what we've seen throughout the history of the character on panel. Every single time some writer chose to script her out of character occurred when she was phenotypically Asian.
@Ry, thank you for your heartfelt reply above. My reply nor Unknown’s are attacks on you or your sentiment. Just friendly challenges based on established canon. 💜
The reaction of chagrin for people who jumped into comics when Betsy was race swapped is natural. Habit is habit. They have confused Betsy with the ninja woman like Marvel has messed up Betsy's butterfly and powers offering them to her Asian copy.
Many have underlined that Betsy will go full circle back to her Psylocke identity in the future. Not the Asian race swapped version because it's racist. She will go back to the 80s Psylocke but she won't be defenseless this time. Marvel has a tradition of restoring the hero status quo after shake ups.
X-Man is right when he gives the example of Betsy and Jean swapping powers. Betsy used her telekinesis way differently than Jean making solid weapons and creating protective auras around her to fly. Jean created a phoenix replica when she used Betsy's telepathy and prophetic visions. Like Betsy when using her telepathy to create her butterfly soul self Jean created the phoenix force in its place. It's dumb for Betsy to lose the butterfly power. Especially to someone who hasn't telepathy only empathy and nothing more.
The Age of X-Man Betsy wasn't herself. That story was garbage and the writers involved. I don't want to remember it. In Disassembled Betsy kicked ass as Psylocke. Disassembled was cool for ten issues then Rosenberg took over and turned shit.
@Rahsaan Alan Davis has drawn a butterfly effect for Betsy that can't be recreated by other artists. From it's antennae to the lace outline it was the most adorable and beautiful astral projection in the comics with Betsy's mind's eyes on the wings.
Modern Marvel ruins everything it touches and kills the spirit of the bronze Claremont era with every given chance. It is despicable to see the butterfly too being stolen by Kwannon.
@Ry You don't have to feel that way because Betsy is the same person she was at the time you started reading comics. Betsy's personality and vibe is intact no matter the cosmetic changes done to her through her history as Psylocke.
Only Betsy's appearance changed from being racebent into a ninja assassin or Yellowface stereotype wearing lustful garb. This 1990s change was unnatural and forced but Betsy overcame Kwannon's vile influence and reclaimed herself despite the superficial transformation.
The stories from acts of vengeance and onward to the 2000s when Betsy was locked in the Asian body belong to Betsy and no one else. Marvel will try to retcon them into being Kwannon's however it will fail because Betsy was in charge of the Asian body that whole run.
It's weird seeing Kwannon using Betsys power signature butterflies and the outfit Betsy chose when she was in an Asian body. Kuannon should be her own person with her own choices and powers.
@Finn many readers are enraged with Kwannon's existence for the fact she is a Betsy clone power-wise and name-wise with her only difference being Asian. Now she stars in a book of clones like X-23 and Kid Cable, the subtle connotation is there to validate the clone suspicion.
Marvel chooses to value easy money from ninja Psylocke toys over making Kwannon her own entity in comics by taking a unique name and powers that reflect her personality. Revanche was discarded along with the crimson dawn mark and its powers. The biggest waste.
Ugh been a silent reader, but I had to let it out, Kwannon can get psylocke code name, katanas, psi knife, skimpy bodysuit it is fine by me. but not betsy butterfly psi signature it was betsy to begin with before body swap and not kwannons, why can't kwannon manifest her own psi signature (a bee, a dragon or a penguin for hell i care) at least she can have something original to herself instead of literally becoming a betsy copy and have all her hand me downs F marvel with their stupid decisions. Funny how Kwannon finally have her own body back but still doesn't have her own identity she is literally asian betsy and not kwannon.
Murasaki Kaze Marvel is a Western company and to them Asian is an exotic fruit they don't know how to eat and present. Japanese women are anything but prostitutes showing skin and act wantonly. Japanese women are the most virtuous and clean females on earth.
Marvel treat with the same ignorance every culture. They don't separate white European races and cultures like the British and Irish. To Marvel British, Irish and Scandinavian are one and the same although they are like night and day.
In the Arab world there are huge distinctions based on races. Marvel still ignores that and depicts all Arabs the same. Middle Easterns are not the same Arabs of North Africa.
I don't expect Marvel to know the difference between China, Korea and Japan. That is when ignorance becomes racism. So Marvel likes Kwannon to be a Betsy knockoff.
@X-man What you said makes me feel a little bit better on the situation. I still haven't read many 80's X-men comics due to the dated writing, maybe I'll check some more out to get a feel for how Betsy was before the body swap. I'm still keeping an open mind with the changes and will probably check both Excalibur and Fallen Angles just to see how I feel about things.
@Ry before the body swap Betsy was more empathetic, shrewd and proactive. She was constantly doubting her place into the hero team called X-Men because Slaymaster broke her morale and confidence.
Becoming a disabled person had changed her outlook on life so she started to cherish little moments of joy more. Superficial things like beauty, strength and wealth didn't move her anymore. And the strength she sought was for protecting innocents after her adventures with the Bratpack in Mojo's Wildways.
By joining the X-Men Betsy sought after a challenge to unlock her potential. That's why she decided to keep the slave name Psylocke that Mojo gave her.
“For so long, my life has been out of control. Chaos and serendipity, wrapped in insanity. I have suffered, I have lost. Not just my life, but my very soul, my self. But no more. Now I know who I am.” – Elizabeth ‘Betsy’ Braddock, daughter of Otherworld, mutant, telepath, telekinetic, defender of the realm and, above all, X-Man.
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Is that supposed to be Roma?
And if you pause on Kwannon's image shes surrounded by butterflies. Its official! Oh well let's hope whatever way Betsy manifests her powers is just as iconic or at least appealing to look at
The art in Excalibur is so gorgeous. I'm hyped af.
@randybear People are saying it's Morgan Le Fay, King Arthur's sister
Yes I've been promptly corrected on twitter lol my apologies I'm not familiar with Morgan Le Fay but that sounds like an interesting villain for Betsy.
@randybear,
I’m not mad about the butterflies that Kwannon has around her. I actually hate when Betsy’s power is displayed like real looking insects like the giant monarch in Astonishing. Her best power signatures to me were the glowing eyes and body and the astral projection with the abstract eye-winger butterfly. the real looking 🦋 never was my cup of tea. I’d be cool with her going back to this ferocious power signature including the yellow color scheme as it contrasts with her purple hair.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VJK2PzaU7-I/VMFfh7bMb9I/AAAAAAAADag/fggJhBKIBak/s1600/UncannyX-Men213-01.png
https://lowbrowcomics.com/2015/04/09/wolverine-vs-sabertooth-2/
https://www.google.com/search?q=psylocke%20uncanny%20x%20men%20213&tbm=isch
The butterfly thing is Marvel trying to make Kwannon resemble Betsy as much as possible for marketing purposes. I'm gonna go on a personal rant about my feelings towards the body swap and everything that's happening recently (Not trying to start shit just letting out my personal feelings) personally I don't like it. Backstory I grew up with X-men in the 2000s with the movies and video games (Also character encyclopedia) and I was first introduced to Psylocke in X-men Next dimension and loved her. Her design was so striking to me, I loved the purple hair and her outfit (I'm indifferent on the swimsuit look because I hate when artists draw it with a thong but if it covers her up I think it looks fine like in Ultimate Alliance 3 for example) as well as her psychic knife and butterflies I started reading comics in the early 2010s and really fell in love with Psylocke in Uncanny X-Force. She was a tragic hero who has been through a lot and acted as a voice of reason on the team. The dark angle saga is one of my favorite storylines for her I still tear up when I think about the scene when she "killed" Warren and gave him fake memories of a happy life with them together. Another great scene for me was when she was willing to sacrifice herself to stop the future from happening (I could go on about Betsy in UFX because she really was great that entire book and there are so many other moments that made me love her). I also liked her character development in the follow-up volume of UFX, I loved how it dealt with her vows to not kill after everything she experienced, it was so heartbreaking to see her kill Cassandra Nova after working so hard. It shows that at the end of the day Betsy will do what's right, even if it means making the sacrifice and her moral compass is what separates her from other anti-heroes. Anyway, flash forward to 2016 with X-men apocalypse coming out it rekindled my love for Psylocke and the X-men. After seeing the movie I started reading the comics again and really got back into them with Bunn's Uncanny. Psylocke was amazing in there, she was such a badass and I liked how she didn't take shit from Magneto. I loved seeing her and Warren again as well as Fantomex back in the mix. I love how independent she was, she didn't blindly follow Magneto she took his side because she believed he was the best chance at survival for mutants. My favorite moment for her in that series was the final issue when she faced off against Magneto and killed him. It was a great moment for many reasons for one it followed up on her promise to kill Magneto if he stepped out of line showing how she will do what needs to be done if it's what she believes it's for the greater good. Also, she killed Magneto meaning she is more powerful than him. Her character was doing so well and it felt like she finally moved past the confusing body-swapping stories. Then marvel brought it all back and to me, I lost the Psylocke I fell in love with. The new (or old depending on who you ask) isn't the same Besty to me, she's someone new. I really haven't been won over by her yet and it doesn't help she was in some of the worst X-men stories (I cringe thinking about what Williams did to her in AOX). Marvel thinks Kwannon taking Betsy's aesthetic is gonna, please everyone but to me, it highlights so many issues I have with the change and I don't feel like I have the Psylocke I love anymore. I'm not bashing on fans of British Betsy or Kwanno fans I'm sure the change makes them happy but for me, it feels like a loose loose situation. I will give the new Dawn of X books a chance and see how I feel about Kwannon and Captain Britan Besty. Sorry for rambling I just wanted to share how I feel about Betsy and my history with her.
Hi Ry, very nice post I understand where you're coming from. Its perfectly fine to be nervous about these changes.
Hopefully everything works out for fans of both bodies both characters.
And welcome to the blog! Not sure if youre new here but welcome and thank you for contributing 😇
I'm upset about the butterflies. Even if Betsy evolved beyond it, imo it's still uniquely hers. I just think it presents Kwannon as a copycat. She has Betsy's old uniform, her old codename, and seemingly Betsy's psychic powers. Even when Jean and Betsy switched powers and Jean took on some of the physical aspects of Betsy's telepathic powers, Jean made it unique to herself (manifesting a psychic Phoenix Raptor instead of a psychic knife or blade), I don't get why Kwannon can't do the same and do something uniquely hers instead of getting the butterfly signature and the psychic knife which have been associated with Betsy for years. Even when Kwannon was in the British Body, she used a telepathic katana. I hope they explain why she suddenly wants to use the knife lol. I am excited for Excalibur though. I hope Betsy alternates between this current uniform and the Captain Britain one. This latest uniform looks great.
@Ry I do agree with a lot you said and share some similarities. For me I also started reading with "asian" Psylocke and thought she was great, I started reading right before the Kwannon storyline and was surprised to find out what Betsy had really been through when Kwannon came on the scene. I then got older comics and loved her even more as the "trickster telepath" in the past. I think fans of "British" or "Asian" Betsy probably agree that her personality should remain consistent regardless of the body she retains. A lot of classic Psylocke fans, probably had the same issues in the past as you have now as her personality seemed to drastically change. They kinda cleaned some of it up with saying it was Kwannon's influence on Betsy. Anyway as much as I loved Betsy in Uncanny X-Force and her mini series, or working with Magneto etc etc, I still always felt bad that she was forcibly put into someone else's body without her consent and was taunted about it over and over. I always likened it to a rape of sorts and was sickened at what was done to her. Even if us fans liked her in that form, and Betsy liked the physical skills it granted her, it was also very clear she was making the best out of an awful situation and still yearned to be in her original form. Which got people like Jamie or Cassandra Nova try to entice her with it in exchange for something for them. Because that yearning was still there, I was glad Betsy finally got her wish, on her terms, and by her own doing. I hope she still is the badass we have come to love and know all these years and the writers have great stuff in store for all of us :)
I've seen a few people use the "she feels like a different character now" line and I'm genuinely curious where that comes from? All of her personality during MiM/Disassembled was in line with everything that had happened before and the only time it was different was during that awful AoXm mini where everyone took on different character traits. Aside from a new costume and codename nothing about Betsy's personality (which we haven't even seen yet because Excalibur hasn't started) has shifted from what it once was.
True.
@Unkown, this! Thank you for pointing this out! In fact, in Disassembled she still even did stupid action junkie stuff like charge Nate, similar to her prior behavior such as fighting Slaymaster and psy-knifing Iceman only to freeze herself and everyone. The only times we have seen a drastic change in personality was when she became broody and silent post body swap (understandable after a traumatic violation), then evolved to sexually prey on Cyclops while he was with Jean, and then when she became darkly obsessed with Maggot and creepily sneaking up on folks via shadow teleportation with the Crimson Dawn. I get that some love Asian Psylocke, but to say having her tru face back equals a different character is actually ignoring what we've seen throughout the history of the character on panel. Every single time some writer chose to script her out of character occurred when she was phenotypically Asian.
@Ry, thank you for your heartfelt reply above. My reply nor Unknown’s are attacks on you or your sentiment. Just friendly challenges based on established canon. 💜
The reaction of chagrin for people who jumped into comics when Betsy was race swapped is natural. Habit is habit. They have confused Betsy with the ninja woman like Marvel has messed up Betsy's butterfly and powers offering them to her Asian copy.
Many have underlined that Betsy will go full circle back to her Psylocke identity in the future. Not the Asian race swapped version because it's racist. She will go back to the 80s Psylocke but she won't be defenseless this time. Marvel has a tradition of restoring the hero status quo after shake ups.
X-Man is right when he gives the example of Betsy and Jean swapping powers. Betsy used her telekinesis way differently than Jean making solid weapons and creating protective auras around her to fly. Jean created a phoenix replica when she used Betsy's telepathy and prophetic visions. Like Betsy when using her telepathy to create her butterfly soul self Jean created the phoenix force in its place. It's dumb for Betsy to lose the butterfly power. Especially to someone who hasn't telepathy only empathy and nothing more.
The Age of X-Man Betsy wasn't herself. That story was garbage and the writers involved. I don't want to remember it. In Disassembled Betsy kicked ass as Psylocke. Disassembled was cool for ten issues then Rosenberg took over and turned shit.
@randybear Yes I believe this is Morgan Le Fay not Roma. In the image she looks sinister and Roma is a force of good.
@Rahsaan Alan Davis has drawn a butterfly effect for Betsy that can't be recreated by other artists. From it's antennae to the lace outline it was the most adorable and beautiful astral projection in the comics with Betsy's mind's eyes on the wings.
Modern Marvel ruins everything it touches and kills the spirit of the bronze Claremont era with every given chance. It is despicable to see the butterfly too being stolen by Kwannon.
@Ry You don't have to feel that way because Betsy is the same person she was at the time you started reading comics. Betsy's personality and vibe is intact no matter the cosmetic changes done to her through her history as Psylocke.
Only Betsy's appearance changed from being racebent into a ninja assassin or Yellowface stereotype wearing lustful garb. This 1990s change was unnatural and forced but Betsy overcame Kwannon's vile influence and reclaimed herself despite the superficial transformation.
The stories from acts of vengeance and onward to the 2000s when Betsy was locked in the Asian body belong to Betsy and no one else. Marvel will try to retcon them into being Kwannon's however it will fail because Betsy was in charge of the Asian body that whole run.
Verba volant, scripta manent.
It's weird seeing Kwannon using Betsys power signature butterflies and the outfit Betsy chose when she was in an Asian body. Kuannon should be her own person with her own choices and powers.
@Finn many readers are enraged with Kwannon's existence for the fact she is a Betsy clone power-wise and name-wise with her only difference being Asian. Now she stars in a book of clones like X-23 and Kid Cable, the subtle connotation is there to validate the clone suspicion.
Marvel chooses to value easy money from ninja Psylocke toys over making Kwannon her own entity in comics by taking a unique name and powers that reflect her personality. Revanche was discarded along with the crimson dawn mark and its powers. The biggest waste.
The last thing I wanted is Betsy to lose her butterfly and gain a mangy wolf for an astral form. X-Men editors never fail to disappoint.
My only hope is Morgan as foe for Psylocke/Cap Betsy. Cross your fingers the story be good.
To settle this once and for all folks. Kwannon will keep being a clone of Betsy if Marvel won't get its head out of its butt.
Ugh been a silent reader, but I had to let it out, Kwannon can get psylocke code name, katanas, psi knife, skimpy bodysuit it is fine by me. but not betsy butterfly psi signature it was betsy to begin with before body swap and not kwannons, why can't kwannon manifest her own psi signature (a bee, a dragon or a penguin for hell i care) at least she can have something original to herself instead of literally becoming a betsy copy and have all her hand me downs F marvel with their stupid decisions. Funny how Kwannon finally have her own body back but still doesn't have her own identity she is literally asian betsy and not kwannon.
Murasaki Kaze Marvel is a Western company and to them Asian is an exotic fruit they don't know how to eat and present. Japanese women are anything but prostitutes showing skin and act wantonly. Japanese women are the most virtuous and clean females on earth.
Marvel treat with the same ignorance every culture. They don't separate white European races and cultures like the British and Irish. To Marvel British, Irish and Scandinavian are one and the same although they are like night and day.
In the Arab world there are huge distinctions based on races. Marvel still ignores that and depicts all Arabs the same. Middle Easterns are not the same Arabs of North Africa.
I don't expect Marvel to know the difference between China, Korea and Japan. That is when ignorance becomes racism. So Marvel likes Kwannon to be a Betsy knockoff.
@X-man What you said makes me feel a little bit better on the situation. I still haven't read many 80's X-men comics due to the dated writing, maybe I'll check some more out to get a feel for how Betsy was before the body swap. I'm still keeping an open mind with the changes and will probably check both Excalibur and Fallen Angles just to see how I feel about things.
@Ry before the body swap Betsy was more empathetic, shrewd and proactive. She was constantly doubting her place into the hero team called X-Men because Slaymaster broke her morale and confidence.
Becoming a disabled person had changed her outlook on life so she started to cherish little moments of joy more. Superficial things like beauty, strength and wealth didn't move her anymore. And the strength she sought was for protecting innocents after her adventures with the Bratpack in Mojo's Wildways.
By joining the X-Men Betsy sought after a challenge to unlock her potential. That's why she decided to keep the slave name Psylocke that Mojo gave her.
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